Re: [Int-area] GPS over wifi for underground locations -- submitted draft RFC.

Erik Kline <ek.ietf@gmail.com> Tue, 21 January 2020 06:55 UTC

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From: Erik Kline <ek.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2020 22:54:50 -0800
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To: Rob Brew <sputnik2012@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Int-area] GPS over wifi for underground locations -- submitted draft RFC.
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Ah yeah, that's a little strange.

Perhaps better is ART dispatch, then:

    https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/dispatch/about/

Sorry for the confusion.

On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 7:13 PM Rob Brew <sputnik2012@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you both.
>
> Looking at the artarea ietf page i can't find their mailing list.
> Please can someone let me know it, or should i message the chair?
>
> Rob.
>
> On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 9:12 PM Brian Haberman <brian@innovationslab.net>
> wrote:
>
>> There was both the geopriv WG and the geojson WG. I would second Erik's
>> recommendation to contact the ART area on this type of work.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Brian
>>
>> On 1/20/20 4:01 PM, Erik Kline wrote:
>> > Rob,
>> >
>> > As you may well know there was once a working group (geopriv
>> > <https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/geopriv/about/>) where many similar
>> topics
>> > were discussed.  That's concluded now, but I wonder if your document
>> would
>> > be more appropriate for consideration in artarea or even gendispatch.
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 9:22 AM Rob Brew <sputnik2012@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Dear all.
>> >>
>> >> I have submittetd the following draft RFC for approval.
>> >>
>> >> Obviously whilst underground mobile phone users at public locations,
>> such
>> >> as the London underground, will not be able to know their GPS
>> location, as
>> >> the GPS signals cannot penetrate the earth.  I have submitted a RFC
>> draft
>> >> at https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brew-intarea-underground-01 to
>> >> bypass this problem, as well as a server application in Java at
>> >> https://github.com/rydal/underground .
>> >>
>> >> As we know the IP Address contacting the server the server contains a
>> map
>> >> containing the GPS location of each underground site, as referenced by
>> IP
>> >> address.  The  returns the phsycial GPS location and name of the site
>> as a
>> >> JSON array.
>> >>
>> >> To prevent false servers reporting inaccurate information https can be
>> >> used to verify the authenticity of the server.
>> >>
>> >> Providing this service to mobile phone user's without a current WIfi
>> >> connection i propose going one stage further, create a hidden wireless
>> >> network wih the name ".location". In cases where no GPS location can be
>> >> found a mobile phone's GPS system can be programmed to seek such a
>> >> network providing the same service.
>> >>
>> >> This would require alterations to th servics as provided by mobile
>> phone
>> >> providers such as Apple and Android.
>> >>
>> >> If you are interested in this concept please review it (and my code),
>> and
>> >> maybe it will become something.
>> >> For a video demonstration of this service please check the link at the
>> >> github site.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >>
>> >>       Rob Brew.
>> >>
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