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Re: [Iotsi] interactive vs. programmatic IoT

Michel Kohanim <michel@universal-devices.com> Thu, 24 March 2016 17:58 UTC

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From: Michel Kohanim <michel@universal-devices.com>
To: Dave Raggett <dsr@w3.org>
Thread-Topic: [Iotsi] interactive vs. programmatic IoT
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Subject: Re: [Iotsi] interactive vs. programmatic IoT
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Hi Dave,

Thank you and not only I totally agree with your comments but I subscribe to them wholeheartedly.

My main questions (as the subject of this email chain suggests) is how does a developer (such as our company) figure out “interactive” vs. “programmatic” IoT. Where is that boundary? Is it organic? If not, what are the constraints?


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From: Dave Raggett [mailto:dsr@w3.org]
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 10:54 AM
To: Michel Kohanim <michel@universal-devices.com>
Cc: Subramaniam, Ravi <ravi.subramaniam@intel.com>; Kreuzer, Kai <k.kreuzer@telekom.de>; Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com>; iotsi@iab.org
Subject: Re: [Iotsi] interactive vs. programmatic IoT

Late binding is necessary where the data is not fully defined in advance. The recipient may have complete knowledge of the range of types that are late bound. If not, it may be sufficient to pass the data on to another agent that does. Alternatively, the recipient may in some cases be able to extend itself so that it now is capable of dealing with the data. This could just be a matter of referencing an external library and is in reach of gateways and cloud based systems that run relatively powerful software, e.g. based upon NodeJS.

Another perspective is to consider the process of defining a distributed service composition involving a suite of devices. Metadata about the capabilities of individual devices can be used to match tasks to devices according to their known capabilities. An example is a smart factory where you want to allocate production cells to an order book for bespoke products. Dynamic reconfiguration is necessary when problems arise on particular cells or there are hold ups in the supply chain. This can involve cooperation with the human workers, e.g. to review proposed solutions.

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   Dave Raggett <dsr@w3.org<mailto:dsr@w3.org>>

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