Re: [ippm] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-mirsky-ippm-hybrid-two-step-07.txt
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From: "Frank Brockners (fbrockne)" <fbrockne@cisco.com>
To: Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [ippm] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-mirsky-ippm-hybrid-two-step-07.txt
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Hi Greg, Thanks for the follow-up. The specific examples for SR and SFC really help the reader IMHO to picture how to get things implemented. Thanks for expanding on the topic. Cheers, Frank From: Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com> Sent: Montag, 17. Mai 2021 04:22 To: Frank Brockners (fbrockne) <fbrockne@cisco.com> Cc: IETF IPPM WG <ippm@ietf.org>; draft-mirsky-ippm-hybrid-two-step@ietf.org Subject: Re: [ippm] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-mirsky-ippm-hybrid-two-step-07.txt Hi Frank, apologies for the delay. I've prepared the update and hope it follows your suggestion: OLD TEXT: The HTS method uses the HTS Follow-up packet, referred to as the follow-up packet, to collect measurement and network state data from the nodes. The node that creates the HTS Trigger also generates the HTS Follow-up packet. The follow-up packet contains characteristic information, copied from the trigger packet, sufficient for participating HTS nodes to associate it with the original packet. The exact composition of the characteristic information is specific for each transport network, and its definition is outside the scope of this document. NEW TEXT: The HTS method uses the HTS Follow-up packet, referred to as the follow-up packet, to collect measurement and network state data from the nodes. The node that creates the HTS Trigger also generates the HTS Follow-up packet. The follow-up packet contains characteristic information, copied from the trigger packet, sufficient for participating HTS nodes to associate it with the original packet. As the follow-up packet is expected to traverse the same sequence of nodes, one element of the characteristic information is the information that determines the path in the data plane. For example, in a segment routing domain [RFC8402], a list of segment identifiers of the trigger packet is applied to the follow-up packet. And in the case of the service function chain based on the Network Service Header [RFC8300], the Base Header and Service Path Header of the trigger packet will be applied to the follow-up packet. Also, when HTS is used to collect the telemetry information in an IOAM domain, the IOAM trace option header [I-D.ietf-ippm-ioam-data] of the trigger packet is applied in the follow-up packet. The follow-up packet also uses the same network information used to load-balance flows in equal-cost multipath (ECMP) as the trigger packet, e.g., IPv6 Flow Label [RFC6437] or an entropy label [RFC6790]. The exact composition of the characteristic information is specific for each transport network, and its definition is outside the scope of this document. I much appreciate your feedback. Regards, Greg On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 8:06 AM Frank Brockners (fbrockne) <fbrockne@cisco.com<mailto:fbrockne@cisco.com>> wrote: Hi Greg, Per the discussion in the last IOAM DT meeting: One particular aspect that your updated version (thanks for that) does not yet cover is how the “HTS trigger packet” and the “HTS follow-up packet” would be associated to each other. Section 4 mentions that “The exact composition of the characteristic information is specific for each transport network, and its definition is outside the scope of this document.”, still it would be great to have at least one or two examples on how this would be achieved. Would you mind outlining an example or two? Thanks, Frank From: ippm <ippm-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org>> On Behalf Of Greg Mirsky Sent: Samstag, 5. Dezember 2020 21:39 To: IETF IPPM WG <ippm@ietf.org<mailto:ippm@ietf.org>>; IPPM Chairs <ippm-chairs@ietf.org<mailto:ippm-chairs@ietf.org>> Cc: draft-mirsky-ippm-hybrid-two-step@ietf.org<mailto:draft-mirsky-ippm-hybrid-two-step@ietf.org> Subject: [ippm] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-mirsky-ippm-hybrid-two-step-07.txt Dear All, the new version of the Hybrid Two-Step draft introduces the Authentication sub-TLV and defines its use in protecting the integrity of the data collected from each node. the Authentication sub-TLV may be added to the Telemetry Data TLV in which the node copies telemetry information as specified in the Trigger packet. The Telemetry Data TLV, in turn, collected in the HTS Follow-up packet(s). Also added is the request to allocate the HTS option from the IOAM Option-Type registry. Of course, some editorial changes. The authors believe that the draft provides a sufficiently detailed specification of the HTS protocol which is complementary to IOAM Trace Options, IOAM Direct Export, and Postcard-Based Telemetry methods of collecting the telemetry information. We would greatly appreciate the consideration of its adoption by the IPPM WG. Regards, Greg ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: <internet-drafts@ietf.org<mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org>> Date: Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 7:21 PM Subject: New Version Notification for draft-mirsky-ippm-hybrid-two-step-07.txt To: Haoyu Song <hsong@futurewei.com<mailto:hsong@futurewei.com>>, Wang Lingqiang <wang.lingqiang@zte.com.cn<mailto:wang.lingqiang@zte.com.cn>>, Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com<mailto:gregimirsky@gmail.com>>, Guo Zhui <guo.zhui@zte.com.cn<mailto:guo.zhui@zte.com.cn>> A new version of I-D, draft-mirsky-ippm-hybrid-two-step-07.txt has been successfully submitted by Greg Mirsky and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-mirsky-ippm-hybrid-two-step Revision: 07 Title: Hybrid Two-Step Performance Measurement Method Document date: 2020-12-04 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 17 URL: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-mirsky-ippm-hybrid-two-step-07.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mirsky-ippm-hybrid-two-step/ Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-mirsky-ippm-hybrid-two-step Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mirsky-ippm-hybrid-two-step-07 Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-mirsky-ippm-hybrid-two-step-07 Abstract: Development of, and advancements in, automation of network operations brought new requirements for measurement methodology. Among them is the ability to collect instant network state as the packet being processed by the networking elements along its path through the domain. This document introduces a new hybrid measurement method, referred to as hybrid two-step, as it separates the act of measuring and/or calculating the performance metric from the act of collecting and transporting network state. Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org<http://tools.ietf.org>. The IETF Secretariat
- [ippm] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-mi… Greg Mirsky
- Re: [ippm] Fwd: New Version Notification for draf… Frank Brockners (fbrockne)
- Re: [ippm] Fwd: New Version Notification for draf… Greg Mirsky
- Re: [ippm] Fwd: New Version Notification for draf… Frank Brockners (fbrockne)