Re: [ippm] Side meeting for PDMv2 and HPKE

Ameya Deshpande <ameyanrd@yahoo.com> Wed, 28 July 2021 18:00 UTC

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From: Ameya Deshpande <ameyanrd@yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: [ippm] Side meeting for PDMv2 and HPKE
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 Hi IPPM,
Greetings!
We are about to start the side meeting on PDMv2 and HPKE in 5 mins.

Zoom link: https://zoom.us/j/7058470584?pwd=SURkcmxIcHRqWVBiTVI0SXJJYS84dz09

Thanks,Ameya Deshpande

    On Wednesday, 7 July, 2021, 8:52:28 am IST, Tommy Pauly <tpauly=40apple.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:  
 
 Hi IPPM,
To help discuss the PDMv2 proposal, and clarify the use of HPKE, Nalini has set up a side meeting during the IETF 111 week on Wednesday July 28 at 18:00 UTC.
Details are here:
https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ietf/meeting/wiki/111sidemeetings
If you’re interested or have been engaging so far, I encourage you to show up!
Best,Tommy (as IPPM co-chair)

On Jul 1, 2021, at 10:44 AM, nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com wrote:
IPPM,

Please do take a look at this draft.

I think that iOAM will need encryption as well.   We have spent quite a bit of time thinking over these issues.  We even have 2 cryptographers from Italy involved as co-authors.   I want to do a side meeting where we can have quite a bit more time to discuss this but would love to have comments from the group on the list.

I am very reluctant to push PDM out to the wider world without encryption.  I feel that we will become the attacker's best friend.
We have modified the Linux kernel to include PDM but as I say, without encryption, we do not wish to release.


Thanks,

Nalini Elkins
CEO and Founder
Inside Products, Inc.
www.insidethestack.com
(831) 659-8360






On Tuesday, June 1, 2021, 09:06:39 AM PDT, nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com <nalini.elkins@insidethestack.com> wrote: 





Hello IPPMers!

We have just posted a new draft to encrypt PDM data.   We feel that this is an important feature to add before promoting widespread adoption of PDM.

We would appreciate any thoughts or comments from the group.

Thanks,

Nalini Elkins
CEO and Founder
Inside Products, Inc.
www.insidethestack.com
(831) 659-8360






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A new version of I-D, draft-elkins-ippm-encrypted-pdmv2-00.txt
has been successfully submitted by Nalini Elkins and posted to the
IETF repository.

Name:        draft-elkins-ippm-encrypted-pdmv2
Revision:    00
Title:        Encrypted IPv6 Performance and Diagnostic Metrics Version 2 (EPDMv2) Destination Option
Document date:    2021-06-01
Group:        Individual Submission
Pages:        16
URL:            https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-elkins-ippm-encrypted-pdmv2-00.txt
Status:        https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-elkins-ippm-encrypted-pdmv2/
Htmlized:      https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-elkins-ippm-encrypted-pdmv2


Abstract:
  RFC8250 describes an optional Destination Option (DO) header embedded
  in each packet to provide sequence numbers and timing information as
  a basis for measurements.  As this data is sent in clear- text, this
  may create an opportunity for malicious actors to get information for
  subsequent attacks.  This document defines PDMv2 which has a
  lightweight handshake (registration procedure) and encryption to
  secure this data.  Additional performance metrics which may be of use
  are also defined.

                                                                                  


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