Re: Normatively referenced specifications

Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> Wed, 18 December 2013 18:25 UTC

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On 12/18/2013 10:09 AM, Michael Cameron wrote:
> But Dave may be right when the IPR is owned by one entity


This is the sort of attempt at nuance that is impractical and, by my 
reading, does not apply to the IETF's disclosure requirement:

RFC 3979:

    6.6.  When is a Disclosure Required?

    IPR disclosures under Sections 6.1.1. and 6.1.2 are required with
    respect to IPR that is owned directly or indirectly, by the
    individual or his/her employer or sponsor (if any) or that such
    persons otherwise have the right to license or assert.

This language does not care about whether the resulting specification 
text is by reference or direct exposition.  It does not care whether the 
content is standardized elsewhere.  It does not care how the information 
is packaged or how the resulting use of the information is packaged.

What it cares about is the knowledge and 'interest' of the contributor, 
during their participation in IETF discussions.

The rule is nicely simple and without nuance.  Let's not try to invent 
nuanced interpretation of it.

d/
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Dave Crocker
Brandenburg InternetWorking
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