Re: [IPsec] Call for Review on draft-kanno-ipsecme-camellia-xcbc

[Yaron Sheffer <[e-mail]>]

Gentlemen,

This is way out of scope of the IPsec mailing list. Please take this discussion elsewhere.

Best regards,

	Yaron

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of
> Tadayuki Abraham HATTORI
> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:34
> To: KATO Akihiro; [e-mail]; [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: [IPsec] Call for Review on draft-kanno-ipsecme-camellia-xcbc
> 
> > Indeed, the matter is strongly related with theoretical proof of
> evolution
> > of human intelligence.
> 
> Discussion of  "evolution of human intelligence" is indeed a disucussion
> about
> THE NEXT OF COPENHAGEN INTERPRETATION.
> // We should NOT let "WIDE" steal "ideas".  :-)
> 
> Indeed, it may be possible to combine Accounting with Physics.
> 
> Let's consider about "cost of gravity".
> 
> In modern physics, Electricity and Magnetism are strongly combined
> as Electromagnetism. However, Gravity and Electromagnetism have
> NOT been combined yet.
> 
> Why couldn't people theoretically combine Gravity with Electromagnetism?
> 
> Because the way of recognition of "cost" behind Gravity is different
> from Electricity or Magnetism. It depends upon the history of evolution
> of intelligence.
> 
> For a humanity, the phenomenon reminding us some kind of effort can
> be recognized as "cost". In other words, any phenomenon reminding us
> energy consumption can be recognized as "cost".
> 
> Usually, people don't recognize a kind of "cost" about phenomenon
> brought out by Gravity on Earth. In other words, cost of gravity is always
> considered as "zero", because any energy consumption can't be recognized.
> In our world wide history, Kings, Emperors, Generals and Governments
> had NOT been charging or taxing on gravity.
> 
> If the way of recognition is different, they can't be theoretically
> combined.
> In other words, the way of recognition is same, it is possible to be
> theoretically combined.
> 
> This could be the answer for Albert Einstein. I think.
> There  is a kind of hypothesis by MEEEEEEEEEEEEEE, "every human
> being has same structure of intelligence".
> 
> And more, people, dolphins and monkeys are sharing some structures
> of intelligence.
> 
> That's why people, dolphins and monkeys could share good time/fun
> through gambling. Such public amusement area could be designed
> mathematically, I think.
> 
> // We should NOT let "WIDE" steal "ideas of genious"  :-)
> 
> [e-mail]
> 
> 
> >
> >> A definition of randomness is a definition of a humanity.
> >
> > Indeed, the matter is strongly related with theoretical proof of
> evolution
> > of human intelligence. It is evolved from "gambling" to "investment or
> > speculation".The matter is an ability of foreseeing.
> >
> > In order to define "randomness",  let's consider the difference of
> > investment,
> > speculation and gambling.
> >
> > What is investment?
> > Everyone can do investment. It can be automatically done according to
> > some kinds of cost accounting theorem. CVP analysis are useful.
> > Break even point can be automatically calculated.
> >
> > What is speculation?
> > Speculation can be done by specific people. It will create "randomness"
> > in our economiy. It can be explained by a kind of mathematical theorem
> > of the "dirrerences of estimations of people". Speculation of human
> being
> > is the origin of "randomness".
> >
> > What is gambling?
> > Gambling can be done by even monkeys.
> > With gambling, people, dolphins and monkeys could share fun.
> > That's kind of my hypothesis about evolution of intelligence.
> > It is beneficial to plain "public gambling spaces" with people, dolphins
> > and monkeys. We can communicate each other through gambling.
> >
> > The "jongengine" which is a kind of lab. http://www.jongengine.net/
> > The concept of GPL looks like a kind of socialism or communism,
> > However if they respect to "invent" not "inventory", they may be
> > a kind of democrats.
> >
> > This was originally planned by MEEEEEEEEEEEEE  as a kind of
> > Volunteer, when I was an emplyee of Hewlett-Packard. At that time,
> > the CEO of HP was Mrs.Carly Fiorina. At that time, I recommend
> > local managers  the fundamental concept of unconditional obeying  to
> > "idea of genious" rather than implicit habits or culture or a kind of
> > religion.
> >
> > However many Japanese sales representatives and IT engineer couldn't
> > understand the fundamental theorem of "evolution of intelligenc.
> > Everybody couldn't emotionally recognize "genious" because everyone
> > didn't  know how to define a humanity.
> >
> > After that, I resigned from HP, and joined Sony Corporation.
> > However, many IT engineers of sony were also. Nowadays, I resigned
> > from Sony Corporation too.
> >
> > Japanese IT consultants or sales representatives should be fired, I
> think.
> > They don't have "thought", so they can't promote the evolution of
> > civilization.
> >
> > [e-mail]
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Without a proof or defitnion of "randomness", why can so many
> >> Japanese IT engineers proceed works?
> >>
> >> Basically, Japanese IT engineers should obey "idea of genious" rather
> >> than implicit habits or culture or a kind of religion.
> >>
> >> If Japanese IT engineers adopted the imported technology to the life of
> >> Japanese citizens directly, it could be called as a kind of criminal.
> >> Do you recognize that?
> >>
> >> The method to realize "randomness" is the method to generate
> >> unpredictable series that is difficult to be found out characteristics
> >> or trends.  The mathematical proof have not been provided yet.
> >>
> >> A definition of randomness is a definition of a humanity.
> >>
> >> [e-mail]
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi all,
> >>>>
> >>>> I've posted new revision of draft-kanno-ipsecme-camellia-xcbc.
> >>>>
> >>>> I summarize modifications.
> >>>>
> >>>> 1. Added TVs.
> >>>>
> >>>> Comments about our document would be welcome.
> >>>>
> >>>> We plan to make this draft to next step 'Publication Request'  within
> >>>> two
> >>>> weeks.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards.
> >>>> ------------------
> >>>> new version of I-D, draft-kanno-ipsecme-camellia-xcbc-01.txt has been
> >>>> successfuly submitted by Akihiro Kato and posted to the IETF
> >>>> repository.
> >>>>
> >>>> Filename: draft-kanno-ipsecme-camellia-xcbc
> >>>> Revision: 01
> >>>> Title: The Camellia-XCBC-96 and Camellia-XCBC-PRF-128 Algorithms and
> >>>> Its
> >>>> Use with IPsec
> >>>> Creation_date: 2009-09-09
> >>>> WG ID: Independent Submission
> >>>> Number_of_pages: 11
> >>>>
> >>>> Abstract:
> >>>> This memo specifies two new algorithms.  One is the usage of XCBC
> >>>> mode with Camellia block cipher on the authentication mechanism of
> >>>> the IPsec Encapsulating Security Payload and Authentication Header
> >>>> protocols.  This algorithm is called Camellia-XCBC-96.  Latter is
> >>>> pseudo-random function based on XCBC with Camellia block cipher for
> >>>> Internet Key Exchange.  This algorithm is called Camellia-XCBC-PRF-
> >>>> 128.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> The IETF Secretariat.
> >>>>
> >>>> ------------------
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> - KATO Akihiro
> >>>> + NTT Software Corporation
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> >>>> kato (d0t) akihiro (at) po (dot) ntts (d0t) co (dot) jp
> >>>> at July 1,2009
> >>>>
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