Re: [IPsec] Last Call: <draft-kivinen-ipsecme-secure-password-framework-01.txt> (Secure Password Framework for IKEv2) to Informational RFC
Yaron Sheffer <yaronf.ietf@gmail.com> Fri, 29 July 2011 21:47 UTC
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Subject: Re: [IPsec] Last Call: <draft-kivinen-ipsecme-secure-password-framework-01.txt> (Secure Password Framework for IKEv2) to Informational RFC
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Hi Dan, there are three drafts on the table, and they are NOT identical. Crypto protocols, as you know well, are a mixture of cryptography and engineering. While the engineering on all three is very similar, the cryptography is not. I do not wish to offend, but I believe cryptography is better left to professional cryptographers. I am not a cryptographer; the primary author of draft-kuegler-ipsecme-pace-ikev2 is. Thanks, Yaron On 07/28/2011 03:48 PM, Dan Harkins wrote: > On Wed, July 27, 2011 10:49 pm, Yaron Sheffer wrote: >> Unfortunately Dan cannot accept that there may be objective, non >> political reasons for the group not to adopt his work. Which is the >> reason why three alternative proposals were published several months >> after his proposed PAKE solution. > Well there certainly wasn't a technical reason. In fact, after > delaying things for several months what we ended up with were 3 > drafts that were effectively _identical_ from a technical point of view. > That is the prime reason that the group (and later the AD) could not > agree on which one to choose.
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- Re: [IPsec] Last Call: <draft-kivinen-ipsecme-sec… Tero Kivinen
- Re: [IPsec] Last Call: <draft-kivinen-ipsecme-sec… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [IPsec] Last Call: <draft-kivinen-ipsecme-sec… Dan Harkins
- Re: [IPsec] Last Call: <draft-kivinen-ipsecme-sec… Yaron Sheffer
- Re: [IPsec] Last Call: <draft-kivinen-ipsecme-sec… Dan Harkins
- Re: [IPsec] Last Call: <draft-kivinen-ipsecme-sec… Tero Kivinen
- Re: [IPsec] Last Call: <draft-kivinen-ipsecme-sec… Tero Kivinen
- Re: [IPsec] Last Call: <draft-kivinen-ipsecme-sec… David Arnold
- Re: [IPsec] Last Call: <draft-kivinen-ipsecme-sec… Nico Williams
- Re: [IPsec] Last Call: <draft-kivinen-ipsecme-sec… Yaron Sheffer
- Re: [IPsec] Last Call: <draft-kivinen-ipsecme-sec… Yaron Sheffer
- Re: [IPsec] Last Call: <draft-kivinen-ipsecme-sec… Dan Harkins
- Re: [IPsec] Last Call: <draft-kivinen-ipsecme-sec… Tero Kivinen
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- Re: [IPsec] Role of the IANA expert reviewer Dan Harkins
- Re: [IPsec] Role of the IANA expert reviewer Sean Turner
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- Re: [IPsec] Role of the IANA expert reviewer Paul Hoffman
- Re: [IPsec] Role of the IANA expert reviewer Paul Hoffman
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- Re: [IPsec] Role of the IANA expert reviewer Tero Kivinen
- Re: [IPsec] Role of the IANA expert reviewer Tero Kivinen
- Re: [IPsec] Role of the IANA expert reviewer Yoav Nir
- Re: [IPsec] Role of the IANA expert reviewer Yaron Sheffer
- Re: [IPsec] Role of the IANA expert reviewer Yoav Nir
- Re: [IPsec] Role of the IANA expert reviewer Yaron Sheffer
- Re: [IPsec] Role of the IANA expert reviewer Sean Turner