Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-resilient-rs-02.txt

Lorenzo Colitti <lorenzo@google.com> Wed, 22 January 2014 19:46 UTC

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From: Lorenzo Colitti <lorenzo@google.com>
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 11:46:29 -0800
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Subject: Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-resilient-rs-02.txt
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On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 4:38 PM, <internet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote:

>    When an interface on a host is initialized, the host transmits Router
>    Solicitations in order to minimize the amount of time it needs to
>    wait until the next unsolicited multicast Router Advertisement is
>    received.  In certain scenarios, these router solicitations
>    transmitted by the host might be lost.  This document specifies a
>    mechanism for hosts to cope with the loss of the initial Router
>    Solicitations.  Furthermore, on some links, unsolicited multicast
>    Router Advertisements are never sent and the mechanism in this
>    document is intended to work even in such scenarios.
>

Authors,

One comment here.

If the intent is that we should be able to run networks that do not send
periodic RAs at all, then this document will need to require that hosts
send router solicitations when their RAs (or whatever is in the RA
contents, including lifetimes of PIOs, RIOs, RDNSS options, etc.) are about
to expire - otherwise the hosts will lose connectivity.

This may be difficult to specify correctly. Specifically, it may be hard to
distinguish something that is being deprecated by the network (e.g., an RA
whose lifetime is counting down because it comes from a PD) from an RA that
is about to expire.

If the intent is not that we should be able to run networks without
periodic RAs, then at least the text in 2b needs to change.

Cheers,
Lorenzo