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Re: FW: IPR Disclosure: Telefonaktiebolaget LM Ericsson (publ)'s Statement about IPR related to draft-halpern-6man-nd-pre-resolve-addr-00

Christopher Morrow <christopher.morrow@gmail.com> Fri, 17 January 2014 15:21 UTC

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Subject: Re: FW: IPR Disclosure: Telefonaktiebolaget LM Ericsson (publ)'s Statement about IPR related to draft-halpern-6man-nd-pre-resolve-addr-00
From: Christopher Morrow <christopher.morrow@gmail.com>
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it kind of sounds like the 'with Possible Royalty/Fee' part means
ericsson just doesn't want wide adoption. (or rather they do, so they
can capitalize it...)

On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 2:38 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se> wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Jan 2014, Ing-Wher Chen wrote:
>
>> Mikael,
>>
>> I am not a lawyer.
>>
>> So I can only point you to the IPR disclosure
>> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2300/>,
>> which contains further contact information, and to RFC 3905.
>
>
> If I look at:
>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2235/
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2218/
>
> Cisco and Juniper asserts that this is a defensive patent that normally is
> royalty-free to implementors.
>
> Ericsson makes no statement that this is the case for this patent which as
> far as I can see, is vital to implementing what is described in your draft.
>
> So what is your goal by submitting this informational draft? I'm not going
> to waste any time reviewing it if implementors can't implement it without
> paying money to Ericsson, because then we won't see wide adoption. Complete
> no-go for me.
>
>
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