Re: draft-macaulay-6man-packet-stain-00 High Level Questions

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Fri, 17 February 2012 00:50 UTC

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On 2012-02-17 10:23, Martin, Steve wrote:
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> So, and this is where you paper is relevant, I have been pondering how IPv6 can be deployed to these subscribers with the added benefit of the "built-in" security that they have been used to with the likes of NAT.

This was the subject matter of RFC 4864. Also see RFC 6092.

I will refrain from the standard rant about the assertion that
NAT is a security mechanism, since that is covered in RFC 4864.

    Brian