RE: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-pref64-02>
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From: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com
To: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet@consulintel.es>, Lorenzo Colitti <lorenzo=40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
CC: IETF IPv6 Mailing List <ipv6@ietf.org>, 神明達哉 <jinmei@wide.ad.jp>, 6man Chairs <6man-chairs@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-pref64-02>
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Hi Jordi, Please see inline. Cheers, Med De : JORDI PALET MARTINEZ [mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es] Envoyé : vendredi 7 décembre 2018 09:58 À : Lorenzo Colitti; BOUCADAIR Mohamed TGI/OLN Cc : IETF IPv6 Mailing List; 神明達哉; 6man Chairs Objet : Re: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-pref64-02> I think in fact we should adopt both solutions, a RA based and DHCPv6 one (https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-li-intarea-nat64-prefix-dhcp-option-01.txt). Many ISPs rely in DHCPv6 to provide all the parameters, same as in RA. [Med] Perhaps I missed your point, but I’m not aware of any provider who uses RA for all configuration purposes. Each ISP should be able to choose. [Med] This is a fair discussion but a separate one. The argument applies to any piece of configuration (SIP Proxy, DS-Lite AFTR, ..). However I’m fine if we just do RA (or we just do DHCPv6). Regards, Jordi De: ipv6 <ipv6-bounces@ietf.org> en nombre de Lorenzo Colitti <lorenzo=40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org> Fecha: viernes, 7 de diciembre de 2018, 9:52 Para: "<mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>" <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com> CC: IETF IPv6 Mailing List <ipv6@ietf.org>, 神明達哉 <jinmei@wide.ad.jp>, 6man Chairs <6man-chairs@ietf.org> Asunto: Re: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-pref64-02> On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 4:42 PM <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com<mailto:mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>> wrote: Compared to the DHCPv6 equivalent solution in Section 5.6, the management overhead is greater with the RA-based solution. With the DHCPv6-based solution, the management can be centralized to a few DHCPv6 servers compared to the RA-based solution where each access router is supposed to be configured with the same information. That text ignores the operational reality that in large networks router configuration is largely either highly uniform, using tools such as apply-groups, or entirely autogenerated (at scale, it's the only way to ensure network configuration is correct). -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- ********************************************** IPv4 is over Are you ready for the new Internet ? http://www.theipv6company.com The IPv6 Company This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of the individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be considered a criminal offense. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited, will be considered a criminal offense, so you must reply to the original sender to inform about this communication and delete it.
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- Re: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… Fred Baker
- RE: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… Lorenzo Colitti
- RE: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… Lorenzo Colitti
- RE: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… Lorenzo Colitti
- RE: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… Nick Hilliard
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… 神明達哉
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… Fred Baker
- RE: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… Jen Linkova
- RE: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… Jen Linkova
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- RE: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… mohamed.boucadair
- RE: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… Nick Hilliard
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… Fernando Gont
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… Sander Steffann
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… Ole Troan
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… David Farmer
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… Jen Linkova
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… Ole Troan
- RE: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… mohamed.boucadair
- RE: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… Ole Troan
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… Jen Linkova
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… Jen Linkova
- RE: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… Ole Troan
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… Philip Homburg
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… Ole Troan
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… Ole Troan
- RE: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… David Farmer
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… Sander Steffann
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… Mark Smith
- RE: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… Templin (US), Fred L
- RE: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… Mark Andrews
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… Sander Steffann
- RE: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… Fernando Gont
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… Fernando Gont
- RE: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… mohamed.boucadair
- RE: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… Jen Linkova
- IPv6 configuration model (was: Re: Adoption call … Ole Troan
- RE: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… mohamed.boucadair
- IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption call f… Ole Troan
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… Ole Troan
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… Ola Thoresen
- RE: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was: Re: Adoption c… Tim Chown
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was: Re: Adoption c… Philip Homburg
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was: Re: Adoption c… Ole Troan
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… Jen Linkova
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was: Re: Adoption c… Philip Homburg
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was: Re: Adoption c… James R Cutler
- RE: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was: Re: Adoption c… Mark Smith
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… Christian Huitema
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… Ole Troan
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… Ole Troan
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… David Farmer
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… Ole Troan
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… David Farmer
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… Christian Huitema
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… Erik Kline
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… Mark Smith
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… Ole Troan
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… Ole Troan
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… Mark Smith
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… Lee Howard
- RE: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- RE: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- RE: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… Lorenzo Colitti
- RE: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… mohamed.boucadair
- RE: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… Philip Homburg
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… Fred Baker
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… Lorenzo Colitti
- RE: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… mohamed.boucadair
- RE: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… Ole Troan
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… Alexandre Petrescu
- RE: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… mohamed.boucadair
- RE: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- RE: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… Ole Troan
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… Philip Homburg
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- RE: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… Philip Homburg
- RE: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- RE: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… Ole Troan
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was: Re: Adoption c… Fernando Gont
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… Fernando Gont
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… Alexandre Petrescu
- RE: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… Ole Troan
- RE: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… Ole Troan
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… David Farmer
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… Christian Huitema
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… David Farmer
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… Fernando Gont
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… Mark Smith
- Re: RA atomic operation (was: IPv6 configuration … Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… Mikael Abrahamsson
- RE: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… Philip Homburg
- RE: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… Mikael Abrahamsson
- RE: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… mohamed.boucadair
- RE: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… Philip Homburg
- RE: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… mohamed.boucadair
- RE: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… Mikael Abrahamsson
- RE: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… mohamed.boucadair
- RE: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… mohamed.boucadair
- RE: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… Mark Andrews
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… Mark Smith
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… Mark Smith
- Re: RTT to public DNS servers (IPv6 configuration… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… Mark Smith
- Re: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… Mikael Abrahamsson
- RE: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… mohamed.boucadair
- RE: IPv6 configuration model (was Re: Adoption ca… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… Ole Troan
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… Erik Kline
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… Bob Hinden
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… Ole Troan
- RE: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… Ole Troan
- RE: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-… Behcet Sarikaya