Re: Neighbor Unreachability Detection is too impatient
Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se> Wed, 25 May 2011 09:20 UTC
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Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 11:20:49 +0200
From: Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se>
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Subject: Re: Neighbor Unreachability Detection is too impatient
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On Wed, 25 May 2011, Philip Homburg wrote: > So you are saying (with a bit exaggeration from my side) that some links > in data centers have so many hosts that a network disruption of a few > seconds will cause a multicast storm big enough to meltdown the network. > > With modern CPUs and a Gbit/s network that seems very odd to me. I have an example from reality: At AMSIX, there are a few hundred routers on the same L2 network. Connected to this we have a router from a major well known vendor. This vendor does not filter IPv6 multicast messages on the linecard, but instead punts all of it to RP, and AMSIX L2 infrastructure treats all multicast as broadcast, so all multicast (mainly ND traffic) is sent out on all ports. This traffic to the RP was enough to cause IPv6 BGP sessions to go down because it was continous ND messages coming in all the time (few hundred PPS). ND is chatty, and it does cause problems on large networks. One might call this multiple faults on multiple levels (bad linecard code, bad L2 platform, bad low-performing CPU on the RP), but it does cause problems in real life regardless. -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se
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