Re: 6MAN WG Last Call: draft-ietf-6man-predictable-fragment-id-01
Brian Haberman <brian@innovationslab.net> Wed, 10 December 2014 12:36 UTC
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Subject: Re: 6MAN WG Last Call: draft-ietf-6man-predictable-fragment-id-01
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On 12/9/14 12:55 PM, Fernando Gont wrote: > On 12/09/2014 11:58 AM, Brian Haberman wrote: >> Fernando, >> >> On 12/9/14 3:29 AM, Fernando Gont wrote: >>> >>> * Requiring that the IP ID be unpredictable >> >> Let's suppose that the WG decides to publish this document and >> makes the above a MUST. >> >> When the WG decides to advance this PS RFC to IS, how do we >> determine if this critical component is implemented and >> interoperable? > > (Me thinking out loud): > > 1) In the same way we do for RFC6528 or RFC6056 > > 2) With something similar to > (<http://www.si6networks.com/tools/ipv6toolkit>): > > # frag6 -d TARGET --frag-id-poliy That didn't answer the question. In order to advance something on the standards track, there needs to be at least two interoperable implementations. How an implementation initializes a field like the fragment ID, TCP sequence number, or ephemeral port number has no affect on interoperability. What you are describing in those documents is implementation guidance, not a protocol specification. Given that, I would suggest that this document strike any normative text, drop the Updates tag, and move to Informational. Regards, Brian
- 6MAN WG Last Call: draft-ietf-6man-predictable-fr… Ole Troan
- RE: 6MAN WG Last Call: draft-ietf-6man-predictabl… Ronald Bonica
- Re: 6MAN WG Last Call: draft-ietf-6man-predictabl… Brian Haberman
- RE: 6MAN WG Last Call: draft-ietf-6man-predictabl… Ronald Bonica
- Re: 6MAN WG Last Call: draft-ietf-6man-predictabl… Ole Troan
- Re: 6MAN WG Last Call: draft-ietf-6man-predictabl… 神明達哉
- Re: 6MAN WG Last Call: draft-ietf-6man-predictabl… Mark ZZZ Smith
- Re: 6MAN WG Last Call: draft-ietf-6man-predictabl… Brian Haberman
- Re: 6MAN WG Last Call: draft-ietf-6man-predictabl… Fernando Gont
- Re: 6MAN WG Last Call: draft-ietf-6man-predictabl… Fernando Gont
- Re: 6MAN WG Last Call: draft-ietf-6man-predictabl… Brian Haberman
- Re: 6MAN WG Last Call: draft-ietf-6man-predictabl… Brian Haberman
- Re: 6MAN WG Last Call: draft-ietf-6man-predictabl… 神明達哉
- Re: 6MAN WG Last Call: draft-ietf-6man-predictabl… Bob Hinden
- Re: 6MAN WG Last Call: draft-ietf-6man-predictabl… Fernando Gont
- Re: 6MAN WG Last Call: draft-ietf-6man-predictabl… Fernando Gont
- Re: 6MAN WG Last Call: draft-ietf-6man-predictabl… Brian Haberman
- Re: 6MAN WG Last Call: draft-ietf-6man-predictabl… Bob Hinden
- Re: 6MAN WG Last Call: draft-ietf-6man-predictabl… 神明達哉
- RE: 6MAN WG Last Call: draft-ietf-6man-predictabl… Liushucheng (Will)
- RE: 6MAN WG Last Call: draft-ietf-6man-predictabl… Hosnieh Rafiee
- Re: 6MAN WG Last Call: draft-ietf-6man-predictabl… Fernando Gont
- Re: 6MAN WG Last Call: draft-ietf-6man-predictabl… Brian Haberman
- Re: 6MAN WG Last Call: draft-ietf-6man-predictabl… Fernando Gont
- Re: 6MAN WG Last Call: draft-ietf-6man-predictabl… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: 6MAN WG Last Call: draft-ietf-6man-predictabl… Fernando Gont
- Re: 6MAN WG Last Call: draft-ietf-6man-predictabl… Ole Troan