RE: Conclusion: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-07
"Hosnieh Rafiee" <ietf@rozanak.com> Thu, 16 January 2014 18:00 UTC
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From: Hosnieh Rafiee <ietf@rozanak.com>
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Subject: RE: Conclusion: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-07
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 19:00:10 +0100
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I do not accept the chair arguments since this draft have its own supporters in the mailing list and I do not see this decision a fair decision . We all know that we need local security and I also discussed about how this draft can help to faster deploy SeND . I addressed all the comments I received during the call and seriously cannot accept the result. http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-rafiee-6man-local-security -----------smile---------- Hosnieh success is a journey, not a destination . You cannot change your destination overnight, but you can change your direction ... Focus on the journey > -----Original Message----- > From: ipv6 [mailto:ipv6-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Alexandru Petrescu > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 4:25 PM > To: ipv6@ietf.org > Subject: Re: Conclusion: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-07 > > Le 15/01/2014 09:03, Ole Troan a écrit : > > All, > > > > Title: A Simple Secure Addressing Scheme for IPv6 > > AutoConfiguration (SSAS) Draft: draft-rafiee-6man-ssas-07 Type: > > Working group Adoption call Last call: 2013-11-19 - 2013-11-26 (but in > > practice until now) > > > > Number of messages on thread: 75 Support for adoption: No consensus > > > > The chairs have after much deliberation and discussion with the AD, > > decided that there is no consensus to adopt the draft. This is based > > on the technical concerns raised during the adoption call, and the > > deployment situation of SEND. Issues have been raised regarding the > > proposed CGA algorithm that we dont see clear answers to. While we > > recognize that the problem of address spoofing and authentication on > > IPv6 links is an important to solve, we do not see a consensus that > > the proposed solution will significantly change the current SEND > > deployment situation. We do not believe the working group understands > > why SEND is not deployed. If that is because the users do not perceive > > the problem as important, or if other solutions (e.g. on > > L2) are being deployed. > > The lack of SeND deployment could be an issue. > > There are some areas where IP security is needed with link scope, on links > which have little or no link-layer security. > > One could also argue about the incompatibility of link1-layer security with > link2-layer security; or maybe the optimizations which could exist if a > wifi/bluetooth sensor node could carry a single set of keys instead of 2. > > To further dissect the question of SeND deployment one would need to > quantify it. One would do so first by some simple means such as checking the > availability of open-source implementations, and feature presence in linux > and other kernels. > > Alex > > > > > Overall, we think these the technical and deployment issues need to be > > addressed before the working group could adopt this document. > > > > We would encourage the working group to continue work on address > > spoofing and authentication on IPv6 links. > > > > Best regards, Bob and Ole > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative > > Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > ipv6@ietf.org > Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > --------------------------------------------------------------------
- Conclusion: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafiee-6m… Ole Troan
- Re: Conclusion: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafie… Alexandru Petrescu
- RE: Conclusion: 6MAN Adoption call on draft-rafie… Hosnieh Rafiee
- On SEND deployment (Re: Conclusion: 6MAN Adoption… Fernando Gont
- RE: On SEND deployment (Re: Conclusion: 6MAN Adop… Hosnieh Rafiee
- Re: On SEND deployment (Re: Conclusion: 6MAN Adop… Fernando Gont