Re: [irtf-discuss] [Internet Policy] Our Internet, Our Future: Together We Can Protect the Internet for Today and Tomorrow

[Jorge Amodio <[e-mail]>]

And protocols.

-J

On Fri, Dec 9, 2022 at 6:29 AM vinton cerf <[e-mail]> wrote:

> there is still a formal AS structure that defines Internet.
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> On Fri, Dec 9, 2022 at 6:50 AM Fernando Lichtschein via InternetPolicy <
> [e-mail]> wrote:
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>> Dear Willi,
>>
>> The definition of "Internet" you mention is the original one but I think
>> it does not reflect the present infrastructure. It is probably more
>> realistic to view it as a mesh of interconnected routing centres with a
>> predominance of networking devices rather than computer networks.
>> This infrastructure is mainly hierarchical, having major infrastructure
>> elements such as intercontinental fiber optic links  and major
>> communication providers at the top of the hierarchy and ISP as the next
>> links down the chain, all the way to the end users where the real
>> processing takes place.
>> All this has to be funded, and money most likely flows upwards, and from
>> some endpoints it does not flow at all. This is the challenge of keeping
>> the Internet alive, how to fund it and at the same time maintain it
>> universally available.
>> This is my opinion and hopefully subject to debate.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Fernando
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 8:08 PM willi uebelherr via InternetPolicy <
>> [e-mail]> wrote:
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>>>
>>> Dear Andrew, dear friends,
>>>
>>> how can we secure an internet if we don't have an internet? Every time I
>>> discuss around ISOC, I ask this question.
>>>
>>> The name "Internet" comes from:
>>> The Inter-connection of local Net-works".
>>>
>>> This means that the constituent elements of an Internet are the local
>>> networks. And if these elements do not exist, then no Internet can
>>> exist. It is as simple as that.
>>>
>>> The task of an Interent: the transport of digital data in packet form.
>>> Nothing else.
>>>
>>> So it is a transport system. Everything we do with it is the application
>>> system and has nothing to do with transport directly. We use the
>>> transport system like roads and paths over arbitrary distances on our
>>> planet.
>>>
>>> The only requirement to be able to act act regionally and globally is
>>> the definition of a language for the transport information, which we
>>> call Internet protocol.
>>>
>>> The purpose is to allow 2 arbitrary end nodes, clients or servers, to
>>> communicate with each other if both want to do it. This eliminates any
>>> kind of third party intervention. Here private or state constructs.
>>>
>>> If the free communication over telecommunication is hindered or blocked,
>>> then these are always private or state constructs. But they have no
>>> place in this sphere of communication.
>>>
>>> Dear Andrew, your concerns are also very understandable for me. But, you
>>> are following a wrong focus.
>>>
>>> with kind regards, willi
>>> Asuncion, Paraguay
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht --------
>>> Betreff: Our Internet, Our Future: Together We Can Protect the Internet
>>> for Today and Tomorrow
>>> Datum: Thu, 08 Dec 2022 11:55:23 +0000 (UTC)
>>> Von: Andrew Sullivan, Internet Society <[e-mail]>
>>> Antwort an: Andrew Sullivan <[e-mail]>
>>> An: willi uebelherr <[e-mail]>
>>>
>>> Dear willi,
>>>
>>> You’re receiving this because you believe in the power of the Internet.
>>> You know how it can present life-changing opportunities, how it can
>>> transform entire communities for the better, and how much our world
>>> depends on it. You know this already, because you’re part of the
>>> Internet Society. That means you also know we cannot take the Internet
>>> for granted.
>>>
>>> The Internet needs all of us, together, because billions of people still
>>> lack access. It also needs all of us, together, as it faces an
>>> increasing number of threats—some that pose a risk to its future
>>> existence. The open and borderless Internet, where we trust that our
>>> information is private and secure, could become a thing of the past if
>>> we don’t act now to protect it against misguided actions from
>>> governments and corporations. Instead, things like the splinternet,
>>> Internet shutdowns, and tech policies that put people last could become
>>> the norm.
>>>
>>> Fortunately, there is another way forward. Today’s Internet Society
>>> action plan, Our Internet, Our Future: Protecting the Internet for Today
>>> and Tomorrow, lights the way. It details specific, measurable actions we
>>> can take to build, and defend the Internet. Together, we must continue
>>> our tireless work to protect the open collaborative model that has
>>> helped the Internet become the resource that it is. We must continue to
>>> connect the people who are on the wrong side of the global digital
>>> divide. We must empower decision-makers with information so that they
>>> can make good choices, and we must nurture emerging Internet leaders.
>>>
>>> Saturday, 10 December marks an important milestone for the Internet
>>> Society. On this day exactly thirty years ago we were incorporated as a
>>> nonprofit, charitable organization. How fitting that this important
>>> anniversary comes on the heels of our Action Plan, when the Internet
>>> needs all of us the most.
>>>
>>> The powers threatening the Internet have far more resources than we do.
>>> But there is one thing that they don’t have:
>>>
>>> You.
>>>
>>> They don’t have your passion. They don’t have your energy and your
>>> idealism. They don’t have your drive to do what is right for the
>>> Internet. They do not work, as you do, to make sure the Internet is for
>>> everyone.
>>>
>>> Read the 2023 Action Plan - Our Internet, Our Future: Protecting the
>>> Internet for Today and Tomorrow:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.internetsociety.org/action-plan/2023/?utm_source=community&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ap2023&utm_content=lfa
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Andrew Sullivan
>>> President & CEO
>>> Internet Society
>>>
>>>
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