Re: [irtf-discuss] [Internet Policy] Our Internet, Our Future: Together We Can Protect the Internet for Today and Tomorrow

[vinton cerf <[e-mail]>]

there is still a formal AS structure that defines Internet.

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On Fri, Dec 9, 2022 at 6:50 AM Fernando Lichtschein via InternetPolicy <
[e-mail]> wrote:

> Dear Willi,
>
> The definition of "Internet" you mention is the original one but I think
> it does not reflect the present infrastructure. It is probably more
> realistic to view it as a mesh of interconnected routing centres with a
> predominance of networking devices rather than computer networks.
> This infrastructure is mainly hierarchical, having major infrastructure
> elements such as intercontinental fiber optic links  and major
> communication providers at the top of the hierarchy and ISP as the next
> links down the chain, all the way to the end users where the real
> processing takes place.
> All this has to be funded, and money most likely flows upwards, and from
> some endpoints it does not flow at all. This is the challenge of keeping
> the Internet alive, how to fund it and at the same time maintain it
> universally available.
> This is my opinion and hopefully subject to debate.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Fernando
>
> On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 8:08 PM willi uebelherr via InternetPolicy <
> [e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>
>> Dear Andrew, dear friends,
>>
>> how can we secure an internet if we don't have an internet? Every time I
>> discuss around ISOC, I ask this question.
>>
>> The name "Internet" comes from:
>> The Inter-connection of local Net-works".
>>
>> This means that the constituent elements of an Internet are the local
>> networks. And if these elements do not exist, then no Internet can
>> exist. It is as simple as that.
>>
>> The task of an Interent: the transport of digital data in packet form.
>> Nothing else.
>>
>> So it is a transport system. Everything we do with it is the application
>> system and has nothing to do with transport directly. We use the
>> transport system like roads and paths over arbitrary distances on our
>> planet.
>>
>> The only requirement to be able to act act regionally and globally is
>> the definition of a language for the transport information, which we
>> call Internet protocol.
>>
>> The purpose is to allow 2 arbitrary end nodes, clients or servers, to
>> communicate with each other if both want to do it. This eliminates any
>> kind of third party intervention. Here private or state constructs.
>>
>> If the free communication over telecommunication is hindered or blocked,
>> then these are always private or state constructs. But they have no
>> place in this sphere of communication.
>>
>> Dear Andrew, your concerns are also very understandable for me. But, you
>> are following a wrong focus.
>>
>> with kind regards, willi
>> Asuncion, Paraguay
>>
>>
>>
>> -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht --------
>> Betreff: Our Internet, Our Future: Together We Can Protect the Internet
>> for Today and Tomorrow
>> Datum: Thu, 08 Dec 2022 11:55:23 +0000 (UTC)
>> Von: Andrew Sullivan, Internet Society <[e-mail]>
>> Antwort an: Andrew Sullivan <[e-mail]>
>> An: willi uebelherr <[e-mail]>
>>
>> Dear willi,
>>
>> You’re receiving this because you believe in the power of the Internet.
>> You know how it can present life-changing opportunities, how it can
>> transform entire communities for the better, and how much our world
>> depends on it. You know this already, because you’re part of the
>> Internet Society. That means you also know we cannot take the Internet
>> for granted.
>>
>> The Internet needs all of us, together, because billions of people still
>> lack access. It also needs all of us, together, as it faces an
>> increasing number of threats—some that pose a risk to its future
>> existence. The open and borderless Internet, where we trust that our
>> information is private and secure, could become a thing of the past if
>> we don’t act now to protect it against misguided actions from
>> governments and corporations. Instead, things like the splinternet,
>> Internet shutdowns, and tech policies that put people last could become
>> the norm.
>>
>> Fortunately, there is another way forward. Today’s Internet Society
>> action plan, Our Internet, Our Future: Protecting the Internet for Today
>> and Tomorrow, lights the way. It details specific, measurable actions we
>> can take to build, and defend the Internet. Together, we must continue
>> our tireless work to protect the open collaborative model that has
>> helped the Internet become the resource that it is. We must continue to
>> connect the people who are on the wrong side of the global digital
>> divide. We must empower decision-makers with information so that they
>> can make good choices, and we must nurture emerging Internet leaders.
>>
>> Saturday, 10 December marks an important milestone for the Internet
>> Society. On this day exactly thirty years ago we were incorporated as a
>> nonprofit, charitable organization. How fitting that this important
>> anniversary comes on the heels of our Action Plan, when the Internet
>> needs all of us the most.
>>
>> The powers threatening the Internet have far more resources than we do.
>> But there is one thing that they don’t have:
>>
>> You.
>>
>> They don’t have your passion. They don’t have your energy and your
>> idealism. They don’t have your drive to do what is right for the
>> Internet. They do not work, as you do, to make sure the Internet is for
>> everyone.
>>
>> Read the 2023 Action Plan - Our Internet, Our Future: Protecting the
>> Internet for Today and Tomorrow:
>>
>>
>> https://www.internetsociety.org/action-plan/2023/?utm_source=community&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ap2023&utm_content=lfa
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Andrew Sullivan
>> President & CEO
>> Internet Society
>>
>>
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