Re: [Isis-wg] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-isis-auto-conf-04
"Acee Lindem (acee)" <acee@cisco.com> Sun, 22 January 2017 23:56 UTC
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From: "Acee Lindem (acee)" <acee@cisco.com>
To: "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" <ginsberg@cisco.com>, Christian Hopps <chopps@chopps.org>, "isis-wg@ietf.org" <isis-wg@ietf.org>
Thread-Topic: [Isis-wg] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-isis-auto-conf-04
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Subject: Re: [Isis-wg] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-isis-auto-conf-04
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Hi Les, On 1/22/17, 12:57 PM, "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" <ginsberg@cisco.com> wrote: >Acee - > >Thanx for reviewing the document. >Responses inline. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Isis-wg [mailto:isis-wg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Acee Lindem >> (acee) >> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:39 AM >> To: Christian Hopps; isis-wg@ietf.org >> Cc: draft-ietf-isis-auto-conf@ietf.org; isis-chairs@ietf.org; >>isis-ads@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [Isis-wg] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-isis-auto-conf-04 >> >> Hi IS-IS WG, >> >> I have reviewed the document and support publication. I have the >>following >> minor comments: >> >> 1. It should be made clear that the A-Bit indicates that an IS-IS >>router >> supports auto-configuration and, is not, necessarily auto-configured >>itself. >> After reading the whole draft, I know that this is the definition of >>the bit but >> the initial text says the router is ³operating in auto-configuration >>mode.² > >[Les:] It is clearly stated that the A flag does indeed mean > >" the router is operating in auto-configuration mode." > >I do not see any text which suggests otherwise. But there is no prior definition of “auto-configuration mode”. I think most readers would believe that this indicates that only routers performing auto-configuration will form adjacencies. Yet the documents states: This document also defines mechanisms to prevent the unintentional interoperation of auto-configured routers with non-autoconfigured routers. See Section 3.3. Where is the interoperation? This definitely needs to be clarified - I don’t see how the authors can argue on this point! > >??? > >> 2. In the duplicate detection in section 3.4.3, could you note that >>an IS-IS >> router should be able to detect discern the case where two interfaces >>on the >> IS-IS router performing auto-configuration are connected to the same >> network. >> >[Les:] Multiple connections of the same system to the same network can >occur in the absence of auto-configuration and detection of this case is >not altered by auto-configuration. This is detected by receiving a hello >with the same source MAC address as a local interface. There are then the >following cases: > >1)Two interfaces on the local router are connected to the same media. >This is further validated by having the same systemID. The means for >detecting this as well as resolving this are not altered by >auto-configuration. > >2)Two neighbors connected to the same network have the same source MAC >address. This is distinguished by having different system IDs in the >hellos. The means for detecting this as well as resolving this are not >altered by auto-configuration. > >3)Two neighbors connected to the same network have the same source MAC >address and the same systemID. This is distinguished by having different >router fingerprint TLVs in the hellos - something only an auto-config >router could do. But the additional detection capability does not provide >any additional means to correct this issue. > >The authors discussed this point during the writing of the draft and >decided specifically NOT to comment on this issue as it by nature is no >different than what can occur without auto-config and there is no good >way to automatically recover from this case i.e. clearly we cannot alter >the physical connections by programmatic means - nor do we assume/require >a programmatic capability of assigning MAC addresses. > >So, I am not sure what we could say other than to note that this can >occur - but non-auto-config implementations already have to detect this - >so does it make sense to comment on this in the auto-config draft? Given that consequences of this mis-wiring are more severe when IS-IS auto-configuration is being used, I think this deserves at least the discussion above included in the draft. Thanks, Acee > > Les > > >> Thanks, >> Acee >> >> On 1/17/17, 7:00 AM, "Isis-wg on behalf of Christian Hopps" >> <isis-wg-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of chopps@chopps.org> wrote: >> >> > >> >Hi Folks, >> > >> >We are starting a WG Last Call for >> > >> > "ISIS Auto-Configuration" >> > - https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-isis-auto-conf/ >> > >> >The WGLC will expire in 2 weeks on Jan 31, 2017. >> > >> >Thanks, >> >Chris & Hannes. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Isis-wg mailing list >> Isis-wg@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg
- [Isis-wg] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-isis-auto-c… Christian Hopps
- Re: [Isis-wg] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-isis-au… Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [Isis-wg] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-isis-au… Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
- Re: [Isis-wg] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-isis-au… Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [Isis-wg] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-isis-au… Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
- Re: [Isis-wg] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-isis-au… Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [Isis-wg] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-isis-au… Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [Isis-wg] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-isis-au… Marc Binderberger
- Re: [Isis-wg] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-isis-au… Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
- Re: [Isis-wg] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-isis-au… Marc Binderberger
- Re: [Isis-wg] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-isis-au… Liubing (Leo)