Re: [iucg] IUser information

[Marie-France Berny <[e-mail]>]

Jefsey,
It seems that the task of informing users and for IUsers to document their
own environment through the IETF system (RFCs) is a too large task. Because
we are a too little number.  Because people are just not interested. Because
the principle of an RFC pile instead of some smart updated mindmap maybe
adequate to the IETF process, but is not to IUse.

>From what I read of FYIs, it was something not updated and centered on the
way experts wanted to explain and not on users' demands.

Our own iuwwws could be a response if we had different approach from RFCs,
some kind of RFC mindmap, with only the main ideas. But there is no such a
tool (even thebrain is not adequate since one cannot arrange links in a
logic order, only alphabetical order).

What would be necessary would be:

- to build a noomap management system, a map of what we really have in the
brain, that mindmaps may further on play with. May be based on Excel.
- to associate it to a registry system like the ISO one we discuss but have
no time to look into.
- to forget about copyrights because the issue is not what is copied, but
what is inside. Fed-up with people wanting us to pay everything or tell who
told us what including what is in our brain! (but not telling us who told
them !!!!)

This being said. May be if we could find a list of the FYIs it could be
interesting?
MFB



2011/8/25 jefsey <[e-mail]>

>  Dear IUsers,
> some clarification in terms of IUser documentation:
>
> 1. Unicode seems to deny IUsers the right to study and discuss the Unicode
> terminology. This seems preposterous and in conflict with WTO basic
> documetation rules.
> 2. After the intervention of Unicode VP, I  have published a description
> of IUWW (IUser Working  Wiki). http://iucg.org/wiki/IUWW
> 3. Russ Hosley (IETF, Chair) puts an official end to the FYI sub-series of
> RFC destined, by the IETF user area to inform the public
>
> If you have any comment you are welcome.
> RFC 6360 being short enough, I provide its text for direct perusal and
> possible debate: over the IUCG's scope.
>
> ------
>
> Internet Engineering Task Force
> (IETF)
> R. Housley
> Request for Comments:
> 6360
> Vigil Security
> Obsoletes:
> 1150
> August 2011
> Category: Informational
> ISSN: 2070-1721
>
>
>
> Conclusion of FYI RFC Sub-Series
>
> Abstract
>
>    This document concludes the For Your Information (FYI)
> sub-series of
>    RFCs, established by RFC 1150 for use by the IETF User
> Services Area,
>    which no longer exists.  The IESG does not intend to
> make any further
>    additions to this RFC sub-series, and this document provides
> a record
>    of this decision.  This document also obsoletes RFC
> 1150 and changes
>    the status of RFC 1150 to Historic.
>
> Status of This Memo
>
>    This document is not an Internet Standards Track
> specification; it is
>    published for informational purposes.
>
>    This document is a product of the Internet Engineering Task
> Force
>    (IETF).  It represents the consensus of the IETF
> community.  It has
>    received public review and has been approved for publication
> by the
>    Internet Engineering Steering Group (IESG).  Not all
> documents
>    approved by the IESG are a candidate for any level of
> Internet
>    Standard; see Section 2 of RFC 5741.
>
>    Information about the current status of this document, any
> errata,
>    and how to provide feedback on it may be obtained at
>
> http://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc6360.
>
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>
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> 1.  Background
>
>    The For Your Information (FYI) sub-series of RFCs was
> established by
>    RFC 1150 [RFC1150] in 1990 for use by the IETF User Services
> Area,
>    which has not met since IETF 53 held in March 2001.
> This RFC sub-
>    series was designed to provide Internet users with a
> repository of
>    information regarding the Internet that might be interesting
> to a
>    wide range of people.
>
>    The publication of RFC 1150 [RFC1150] introduced the FYI
> sub-series
>    of RFCs.  Since that time, a total of 38 FYI numbers
> have been
>    assigned.  Many other Informational RFCs have been
> published that are
>    not part of the FYI sub-series.
>
>    The list of documents in the FYI sub-series can be found on
> the RFC
>    Editor web site [INDEX].
>
> 2.  Conclusion of the FYI Sub-Series
>
>    The IESG does not intend to make any further additions to
> the FYI
>    sub-series.  The IESG intends to continue to produce
> Informational
>    RFCs, but none of them will be assigned an FYI number.
>
>    All published RFCs that are currently part of the FYI
> sub-series will
>    retain their FYI numbers.  The FYI numbers continue to
> provide
>    reference points for these documents, and the FYI number can
> be used
>    in citations to these documents.
>
>    If a future RFC is published that obsoletes an existing
> member of the
>    FYI sub-series, the new RFC will not be assigned an FYI
> number.
>
> 3.  RFC 1150 Moved to Historic
>
>    This document moves RFC 1150 [RFC1150] to Historic.
> The procedural
>    information in RFC 1150 is no longer valid.  If it
> becomes desirable
>    to make additions to the FYI sub-series in the future, new
> procedures
>    can be developed to replace this document.
>
> 4.  Security Considerations
>
>    No Internet security issues are anticipated by the actions
> described
>    in this document.
>
> 5.  References
>
> 5.1. Normative Reference
>
>    [RFC1150] Malkin, G. and J. Reynolds, "FYI on FYI:
> Introduction to
>
> the FYI Notes", FYI 1, RFC 1150, March 1990.
>
> 5.2.  Informative Reference
>
>    [INDEX]   "FYI Index",
> http://www.rfc-editor.org/fyi-index.html
> Author's Address
>
>    Russell Housley
>    Vigil Security, LLC
>    918 Spring Knoll Drive
>    Herndon, VA 20170
>    USA
>    EMail: [e-mail]
> -----
>
> Best.
> jfc
>
>
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