Re: [Json] Limitations on number size?
Jacob Davies <jacob@well.com> Tue, 09 July 2013 23:49 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Json] Limitations on number size?
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On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Peter F. Patel-Schneider <pfpschneider@gmail.com> wrote: > The only suitable guidance provided in RFC4627 is via ECMAScript and > ECMAScript is firmly IEEE floating point double only. > > So why are you surprised that I came up with this conclusion? What I found surprising was that there appeared to be lots of people willing to say that the strings in the JSON data model (not the format) are Unicode, or that the keys in the objects must be unique according to one particular method of string normalization, but not that the numbers in JSON are derived from Javascript and that interoperability in the most important use of JSON (sending data to browsers) absolutely requires you to stay within the size limit of Javascript numbers (and failure to do so has led to some notable bugs that require backwards-incompatible API changes, i.e. going from number -> string for some field). My take prior to this discussion was that the mild annoyance of not being able to send 9223372036854775807 as a number in JSON was the reasonable price you paid for having an interoperable number range in the format. It seemed like most people here disagreed with my impression, which is fair enough, and it sounded like Douglas Crockford's intent was not to restrict them in such a way, but I would be surprised if many people actually - intentionally at least! - use numbers from outside the Javascript range in JSON, given the problems it causes for Javascript. As for numbers smaller than that range, the RFC says implementations may reject numbers they don't like, so an implementation without floating point numbers is OK, just not capable of general interoperability.
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