Re: [Json] Counterproposal on work items

Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@stpeter.im> Thu, 21 February 2013 01:44 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Json] Counterproposal on work items
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On 2/20/13 3:30 PM, Mark Nottingham wrote:
> On 21/02/2013, at 6:02 AM, Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@vpnc.org> 
> wrote:
> 
>> On Feb 20, 2013, at 10:43 AM, Nico Williams
>> <nico@cryptonector.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Paul Hoffman 
>>> <paul.hoffman@vpnc.org> wrote:
>>>> On Feb 20, 2013, at 9:27 AM, Tim Bray <tbray@textuality.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> My proposal is: do nothing.
>>>> 
>>>> -1.
>>>> 
>>>> There are places where RFC 4627 has SHOULDs where some 
>>>> processors do one thing and others do something different.
>>>> That should be cleaned up in a standards-track RFC, and it
>>>> should be done with lots of JSON developers and users having
>>>> a discussion that comes to rough consensus.
>>> 
>>> One I-D as simple as this hardly justifies a WG.
>> 
>> Getting broad consensus on changing a standard that is
>> implemented widely outside the IETF justifies the effort to have
>> the time and space for consensus. This is *not* just IETF work.
> 
> 
> I don't know. I think I'd be fine if we just asked Crockford
> (perhaps helped by a willing editor) to do 4627bis and then have
> the AD sponsor it on Standards Track.

That does seem reasonable, and it carefully sidesteps the
all-too-common desire to "improve" a spec...

Peter

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