Re: [Json] What is a JSON-text? [REVISITED]
Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com> Thu, 03 October 2013 18:34 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Json] What is a JSON-text? [REVISITED]
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On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Stefan Drees <stefan@drees.name> wrote: > Me also very strongly against "non-container" top-level entities. > > Additional rationale: > - Add two bytes to wrap the serialized/transported value into array or > say six bytes and use eg. {"d":my_top_level_value} should be cheap > for the benefit of producing a JSON-text. That's very lame; see below for rationale. > Even if value is king, values like strings, numbers, true, false or null > just wrapped into "no clothes" make me wonder why one would serialize (or > forward) them as advertised JSON-text in the first place. Because JSON isn't always used to transport values across networks (where it'd be silly to send scalar values with all the overheade of HTTP and TCP/IP, say). JSON is often used for interop between local components, where the overhead that would make laughable the use of scalar values at the top-level just doesn't apply. E.g., the Python bindings to libjq. Indeed, here your suggestion that I call "lame" *adds* undesirable overhead. "But JSON is an interchange format for networking" is not a good answer to that. It's a good interchange format, full stop. The train with JSON used for local interchange purposes left the station. This is why parsers commonly have an option to accept scalar values at the top-level. Nico --
- Re: [Json] What is a JSON-text? [REVISITED] Tim Bray
- Re: [Json] What is a JSON-text? [REVISITED] Peter Patel-Schneider
- Re: [Json] What is a JSON-text? [REVISITED] Stefan Drees
- [Json] What is a JSON-text? [REVISITED] Matt Miller (mamille2)
- Re: [Json] What is a JSON-text? [REVISITED] Nico Williams
- Re: [Json] What is a JSON-text? [REVISITED] Nico Williams
- Re: [Json] What is a JSON-text? [REVISITED] Nico Williams
- Re: [Json] What is a JSON-text? [REVISITED] Markus Lanthaler
- Re: [Json] What is a JSON-text? [REVISITED] Jacob Davies
- Re: [Json] What is a JSON-text? [REVISITED] Paul Hoffman
- Re: [Json] What is a JSON-text? [REVISITED] Stefan Drees
- Re: [Json] What is a JSON-text? [REVISITED] R S
- Re: [Json] What is a JSON-text? [REVISITED] Larry Masinter
- Re: [Json] What is a JSON-text? [REVISITED] Mark Nottingham
- Re: [Json] What is a JSON-text? [REVISITED] Manger, James H
- Re: [Json] What is a JSON-text? [REVISITED] Bjoern Hoehrmann
- Re: [Json] What is a JSON-text? [REVISITED] Paul Hoffman
- Re: [Json] What is a JSON-text? [REVISITED] Nico Williams
- Re: [Json] What is a JSON-text? [REVISITED] R S
- Re: [Json] What is a JSON-text? [REVISITED] Tim Bray
- Re: [Json] What is a JSON-text? [REVISITED] Paul Hoffman