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Re: [Jsonpath] Opsdir last call review of draft-ietf-jsonpath-base-16

Tim Bray <tbray@textuality.com> Thu, 03 August 2023 21:47 UTC

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From: Tim Bray <tbray@textuality.com>
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2023 16:47:13 -0500
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To: Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>
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Subject: Re: [Jsonpath] Opsdir last call review of draft-ietf-jsonpath-base-16
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On Aug 3, 2023 at 2:43:55 PM, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:

>
> I can think of two reasons why you would put them:
>
> (1) If you want to write a query that works with JSONPath-base as well as
> an existing implementation that does require the parentheses.
>
> (2) If you believe the parentheses increase readability (in general for a
> specific query, or possibly just to people that are used to the
> parentheses).
>

…

But I wouldn’t try to give guidance here for the same reasons I wouldn’t
> try to give guidance for return in C.
>

Um, I think you just did?

I really do think that in RFCs, when there’s something that’s optional,
it’s really better to say why it’s optional and what might motivate
choosing one option or another.


> Grüße, Carsten
>
>

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