Re: [karp] KARP Agenda at IETF 76

"Gregory M. Lebovitz" <gregory.ietf@gmail.com> Wed, 28 October 2009 00:57 UTC

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Subject: Re: [karp] KARP Agenda at IETF 76
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At 08:12 PM 10/26/2009, Brian Weis wrote:
>Folks,
>
>The draft agenda for the BoF has been posted: 
><http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/09nov/agenda/karp.html >.

Thanks a ton, Joel and Brian, for getting this out. Looks great. A 
few comments:

The current versions will be:
   draft-ietf-tcpm-tcp-auth-opt-08
   draft-ietf-tcpm-tcp-ao-crypto-01
  They should publish today or tomorrow.

I'd like to see the roadmap discussion (my part) broken down into 
it's more explanative piece parts, as these are the parts that a BoF 
really needs to discuss separately, and don't rightfully belong in 
one huge document as I have them today. Rather, they belong in 3 
different documents, I would think.
   - Goals / Overview - 5 min
    - Threat Model - 7 min
    - Requirements - 8 min
    - Framework - 10 min

Could we add this to the charter:
- Definition of the process of what work will be done in KARP vs in 
routing WG's and how the overlaps will be handled.  - 10 min

To get more time for this process discussion, I'd suggest the example 
preso of TCP-AO be shortened to 10 min. Justification: we don't need 
to teach on -AO, just quickly show how we got from MD5 to -AO as an 
example. Then we can take 5 min from the discussion at the end, to 
create a total of 10 min for the definition of process part.

Last, I'd like to see some of brief examples of work in progress on 
KARP-like topics from the community. Several of you have sent me 
things like these, from Vishwas:

1. 
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-opsec-routing-protocols-crypto-issues-00.txt
is the draft I was talking about.
2. http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5310 is the IS-IS RFC.
3. http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ospf-hmac-sha-03 is the
equivalent OSPF draft
4. http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bhatia-manral-igp-crypto-requirements-03
is the draft for Crypto requirements.

Would anyone like to give a 5 min preso on any of these things? Or 
any other related work?

Gregory.




>Thanks,
>Joel & Brian
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