Re: [kitten] [Curdle] I-D Action: draft-ietf-curdle-des-des-des-die-die-die-03.txt

Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu> Fri, 16 June 2017 04:07 UTC

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Subject: Re: [kitten] [Curdle] I-D Action: draft-ietf-curdle-des-des-des-die-die-die-03.txt
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Hi everyone,

As far as I know, this version is ready to be sent to the IESG for
approval.

The -03 adds this text (including known typo):

   Fortuntately, modern (i.e., supported) Kerberos implementations
   support a secure alternative to RC4, in the form of AES.  Windows has
   supported AES since 2007-2008 with the release of Windows Vista and
   Server 2008, respectively; MIT Kerberos [MITKRB5] has fully supported
   AES (including the GSSAPI mechanism) since 2004 with the release of
   version 1.3.2; Heimdal [HEIMDAL] has fully supported AES since 2005
   with the release of version 0.7.  Though there may still be issues
   running ten-year-old unsupported software in mixed environments with
   new software, issues of that sort seem unlikely to be unique to
   Kerberos, and the aministrators of such environments are expected to
   be capable of devising workarounds.

It would be good to get independent confirmation of those
dates/release numbers; the windows ones I took from Michiko's email
and the Heimdal one from Chaskiel's mail.  (I did the MIT research
myself, and picked 1.3.2 to include the GSSAPI mechanism instead of
1.3 which had the bare enctype.)

Thanks,

Ben



On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 09:01:48PM -0700, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:
> 
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
> This draft is a work item of the CURves, Deprecating and a Little more Encryption of the IETF.
> 
>         Title           : Deprecate 3DES and RC4 in Kerberos
>         Authors         : Benjamin Kaduk
>                           Michiko Short
> 	Filename        : draft-ietf-curdle-des-des-des-die-die-die-03.txt
> 	Pages           : 9
> 	Date            : 2017-06-15
> 
> Abstract:
>    The 3DES and RC4 encryption types are steadily weakening in
>    cryptographic strength, and the deprecation process should be begun
>    for their use in Kerberos.  Accordingly, RFC 4757 is moved to
>    Obsolete status, as none of the encryption types it specifies should
>    be used, and RFC 3961 is updated to note the deprecation of the
>    triple-DES encryption types.
> 
> 
> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-curdle-des-des-des-die-die-die/
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