Re: [kitten] Murray Kucherawy's No Objection on draft-ietf-kitten-krb-spake-preauth-11: (with COMMENT)
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Subject: Re: [kitten] Murray Kucherawy's No Objection on draft-ietf-kitten-krb-spake-preauth-11: (with COMMENT)
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Chiming in from the sidelines... On 20/01/2024 06:39, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: >> It's not just Kerberos, but TLS and others, that have used I-Ds as >> "specifications". >> > This isn't making me feel better. :-) I don't think you should feel at all bad about any of this. We have setup our IANA rules to allow this, so it's just a normal bit of business. If the IESG decide it'd like to change the status-quo to no longer allow something, then that's fine but that ought not be tied to any one draft, including this one. I.e. if you prefer some change, let this draft go ahead and then bring up your proposed change separately, and someplace with very broad visibility. Cheers, S.
- [kitten] Murray Kucherawy's No Objection on draft… Murray Kucherawy via Datatracker
- Re: [kitten] [Ext] Murray Kucherawy's No Objectio… Amanda Baber
- Re: [kitten] Murray Kucherawy's No Objection on d… Greg Hudson
- Re: [kitten] Murray Kucherawy's No Objection on d… Nico Williams
- Re: [kitten] Murray Kucherawy's No Objection on d… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [kitten] Murray Kucherawy's No Objection on d… Nico Williams
- Re: [kitten] Murray Kucherawy's No Objection on d… Eric Vyncke (evyncke)
- Re: [kitten] Murray Kucherawy's No Objection on d… Simo Sorce
- Re: [kitten] Murray Kucherawy's No Objection on d… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [kitten] Murray Kucherawy's No Objection on d… Nico Williams
- Re: [kitten] Murray Kucherawy's No Objection on d… Russ Allbery
- Re: [kitten] Murray Kucherawy's No Objection on d… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [kitten] Murray Kucherawy's No Objection on d… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [kitten] Murray Kucherawy's No Objection on d… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [kitten] Murray Kucherawy's No Objection on d… Eliot Lear
- Re: [kitten] Murray Kucherawy's No Objection on d… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [kitten] Murray Kucherawy's No Objection on d… Greg Hudson
- Re: [kitten] Murray Kucherawy's No Objection on d… Eliot Lear