Re: L2VPN (Re-)charter: Inter-AS (+ multicast)

[Shane Amante <[e-mail]>]

Florin,

Your suggestion of rewording #8 looks OK to me.  Accepted.

-shane


BALUS Florin wrote:
> Hi Shane,
> 
> Your suggestions below look good, I just have a comment on the following
> text:
> "8. Define requirements and solutions for Auto-Discovery and Signaling
> of Inter-AS unicast VPLS and VPWS L2VPN's, in addition to Inter-AS
> multicast VPLS and VPMS Layer-2 VPN's." 
> 
> It is understood that there may be other use cases or VPLS solutions
> where additional multicast optimizations may be required as described in
> the drafts you listed below. 
> 
> Still "Inter-AS unicast VPLS" suggests that the VPLS solutions developed
> up to now where not able to transport multicast at all. Or I am aware of
> some large HVPLS deployments handling multicast applications, including
> heavy ones like IP TV. Will it be possible to use instead the following
> text for 8:
> 
> "8. Define requirements and solutions for Auto-Discovery and Signaling
> of Inter-AS VPLS and VPWS L2VPN's, in addition to Inter-AS solutions for
> multicast-optimized VPLS and VPMS Layer-2 VPN's." 
> 
> Thanks,
> Florin
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]] 
>> On Behalf Of Shane Amante
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 3:47 PM
>> To: [e-mail]
>> Subject: L2VPN (Re-)charter: Inter-AS (+ multicast)
>>
>> Hi Loa, Florin,
>>
>> ------Loa wrote------
>>  > - for discovery specifiactions
>>  >  --  does this include automated Inter-AS discovery
>>
>> I'm not sure I understand what part of the charter you're 
>> asking about. 
>>   Can you point out what section(s) you referring to, (scope, 
>> tasks worked on, etc.)?
>>
>>
>>  > - I would split the
>>  >  > Jul 2010    Submit Inter-AS VPLS and VPWS solutions to IESG
>>  >  milestone into two different mailstones
>>
>> This may not be necessary.  See below.
>>
>>
>> ------Florin wrote------
>>  > Goals and Milestones:
>>  > [..]
>>  > FB> We are missing here L2VPN Auto-discovery, Signaling 
>> and Inter-AS
>>  > (see draft-ietf-l2vpn-signaling-08.txt). This was already 
>> submitted to
>>  > IESG and is waiting in the RFC queue. Suggest adding the 
>> following item:
>>  >
>>  > "Done  Submit L2VPN Auto-discovery, Signaling and Inter-AS to IESG"
>>  > [..]
>>  >
>>  > Jul 2010    Submit Inter-AS VPLS and VPWS solutions to IESG
>>  > FB> I thought we already have these items addressed in
>>  > draft-ietf-l2vpn-signaling-08.txt ("Provisioning, 
>> Autodiscovery, and
>>  > Signaling in L2VPNs"), currently in the RFC queue.
>>
>> Good point, however that draft largely only covers signaling for 
>> Inter-AS unicast L2VPN's.  It does not cover optimized forwarding of 
>> multicast within Inter-AS VPLS or VPMS.  What about the following 
>> suggestion?
>>
>> In "Scope", we change #8 to be as follows:
>> ---cut here---
>> 8.  Define requirements and solutions for Auto-Discovery and Signaling
>>      of Inter-AS unicast VPLS and VPWS L2VPN's, in addition 
>> to Inter-AS
>>      multicast VPLS and VPMS Layer-2 VPN's.
>> ---cut here---
>>
>> The above would capture the existing, completed work in 
>> draft-ietf-l2vpn-signaling-08 for Auto-Discovery and 
>> Signaling of Intra- 
>> and Inter-AS VPWS and VPLS L2VPN's.  In addition, it should 
>> also capture 
>> the in-flight work on optimized multicast, both Intra- and 
>> Inter-AS, for 
>> VPLS and VPMS in the following drafts:
>> - draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-mcast-reqts-05
>> - draft-ietf-l2vpn-vpls-mcast-03
>> - draft-raggarwa-l2vpn-p2mp-pw-00 -- assuming PWE3 & L2VPN 
>> successfully 
>> charter work on p2mp PW's and l2vpn's
>> - TBD draft for VPMS l2vpn requirements
>>
>> I really don't think it's necessary to create separate 
>> goals/milestones 
>> for every solution calling out that it's specific for Intra- or 
>> Inter-AS, since most (all?) existing work has included 
>> Inter-AS anyway. 
>>   (Of course, I am making a minor exception for the l2vpn-signaling 
>> draft down below).
>>
>> In "Goals and Milestones":
>> ---cut here---
>> As you suggested, add this:
>> Done	Submit Auto-Discovery and Signaling for Intra-AS and Inter-AS
>>          VPLS and VPWS Layer-2 VPN's
>> [..]
>> Also, as you suggested, delete this milestone:
>> Jul 2010    Submit Inter-AS VPLS and VPWS solutions to IESG
>> ---cut here---
>>
>> The Intra- and Inter-AS multicast work should already be reflected in 
>> these milestones, (no changes to these):
>> ---cut here---
>> Nov 2008    Submit multicast optimization solutions for VPLS to IESG
>>
>> Mar 2009    Submit I-D on Virtual Private Multicast Service (VPMS)
>>              requirements to IESG
>>
>> Nov 2009    Submit Auto-Discovery solution for VPMS to IESG
>> ---cut here---
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> -shane
>>