Re: [lisp] draft-ietf-lisp-introduction - Design Principles and Use Cases
Florin Coras <fcoras@ac.upc.edu> Sun, 12 October 2014 00:58 UTC
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Subject: Re: [lisp] draft-ietf-lisp-introduction - Design Principles and Use Cases
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Hi Ron, On 10/11/14 4:51 PM, Ronald Bonica wrote: > Folks, > > In Section 2.1, we say that LISP is built on top of four basic design principles: > > - Locator/Identifier split > - Overlay architecture > - Decoupled data and control-plane > - Incremental deployability > > However, none of these design principles are unique to LISP. The IETF has produced many overlay architectures over the years and nearly all of them share these characteristics. I could stand corrected, but out of the ones mentioned in RFC 6115, and which have also become RFCs, LISP is the only one with this set of properties. > > Oddly, the one design principle that *is* truly unique to LISP is omitted from the list. That is, the route pull model. Nothing precludes the use of a "push model" mapping system. That is, BGP could be used as a mapping-system as long as an adaptation layer as per RFC6833 is implemented. > > Likewise, In Section 7, we site several use cases to which LISP might be applied. However, we say nothing about why LISP might provide a better solution than any of the other overlay architectures that the IETF has produced in years gone by. Does LISP provide a superior solution because of its one unique characteristic? > > In order to fix these problems, I suggest that we make the following changes to Section 2.1: > > - add a bullet concerning route pull Agreed. > - add a sentence saying that route pull is the only principle that is unique to LISP With this however, considering the points above, I disagree. Florin > > A use case should be included in Section 7 only if route pulling makes the LISP solution superior to existing solutions. > > Ron Bonica > > _______________________________________________ > lisp mailing list > lisp@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lisp
- Re: [lisp] draft-ietf-lisp-introduction - Design … Florin Coras
- [lisp] draft-ietf-lisp-introduction - Design Prin… Ronald Bonica
- Re: [lisp] draft-ietf-lisp-introduction - Design … Dino Farinacci
- Re: [lisp] draft-ietf-lisp-introduction - Design … Ronald Bonica
- Re: [lisp] draft-ietf-lisp-introduction - Design … Dino Farinacci
- Re: [lisp] draft-ietf-lisp-introduction - Design … Albert Cabellos
- Re: [lisp] draft-ietf-lisp-introduction - Design … Chad Hintz (chahintz)
- Re: [lisp] draft-ietf-lisp-introduction - Design … Luigi Iannone
- Re: [lisp] draft-ietf-lisp-introduction - Design … Dino Farinacci
- Re: [lisp] draft-ietf-lisp-introduction - Design … Albert Cabellos
- Re: [lisp] draft-ietf-lisp-introduction - Design … Dino Farinacci
- Re: [lisp] draft-ietf-lisp-introduction - Design … Robert Raszuk
- Re: [lisp] draft-ietf-lisp-introduction - Design … Dino Farinacci