Re: [lmap] on use cases and requirements

Paul Coverdale <coverdale@sympatico.ca> Tue, 30 July 2013 13:02 UTC

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To: 'Javier Bustos Jiménez' <jbustos@niclabs.cl>, 'lmap WG' <lmap@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [lmap] on use cases and requirements
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As I mentioned at the mike, LMAP will not "measure QoE". On the other hand,
LMAP may enable some measurements to be made which can be used to estimate
QoE.

...Paul

>-----Original Message-----
>From: lmap-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:lmap-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
>Javier Bustos Jiménez
>Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 9:34 AM
>To: lmap WG
>Subject: Re: [lmap] on use cases and requirements
>
>Hello
>
>Watching the slides for draft-linsner-lmap-use-cases two comments come
>to my mind:
>
>1.- QoE is defined at ISO 9241-210: Human-centred design for interactive
>systems. Quality of Experience: "a person's perceptions and responses
>that result from the use or anticipated use of a product, system or
>service"
>
>2.- About a question about how much often the probing has to be made and
>how many measures agents hould be distributed in order to be
>statistically representative, I remember that we had that problem when
>we built our national infrastructure and saldy the answer is "depends".
>It depends in what is wanted to measure, the size and the distribution
>of the population.
>
>Best regards
>Javier
>