Re: [Lsr] Warren Kumari's No Objection on draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-04: (with COMMENT)

"Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" <ginsberg@cisco.com> Thu, 20 December 2018 04:17 UTC

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From: "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" <ginsberg@cisco.com>
To: Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net>, The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>, Mirja Kühlewind <ietf@kuehlewind.net>
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Thread-Topic: Warren Kumari's No Objection on draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-04: (with COMMENT)
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Subject: Re: [Lsr] Warren Kumari's No Objection on draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-04: (with COMMENT)
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(Copying Mirja as well since one portion of my reply relates to her comment)

Warren -

Inline.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 3:10 PM
> To: The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>
> Cc: draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis@ietf.org; Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)
> <ketant@cisco.com>; aretana.ietf@gmail.com; lsr-chairs@ietf.org; Ketan
> Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com>; lsr@ietf.org
> Subject: Warren Kumari's No Objection on draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-04:
> (with COMMENT)
> 
> Warren Kumari has entered the following ballot position for
> draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-04: No Objection
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> COMMENT:
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> I do have a question and a suggestion:
> 
> 1: From the shepherd writeup:
> (7) Has each author confirmed that any and all appropriate IPR
> disclosures required for full conformance with the provisions of BCP 78
> and BCP 79 have already been filed. If not, explain why.
> 
>     Pending Response at WG adoption:
>     Authors: S Giacolone, D Ward
>     Contributors: A Atlas, C Filsfils
> 
>     There was no IPR poll done during/after WGLC.
> ---
> I'm not sure I really understand what happened, and if they ever replied - I'll
> trust that the AD did the right thing.
> 

[Les:] And so will I. :-)

> 2: The abstract says: This document obsoletes RFC 7810.
> Once this is published it won't be clear that this is a -bis. It might be
> useful to include something like: This document obsoletes RFC 7810 (see the
> Appendix for details). (if the RFC editor will allow it that is :-))
>
[Les:] When the document is published the following things will happen:

RFC7810 will get updated to include a line in the header that says: "Obsoleted by RFCxxxx"
RFCtobe (this document) will retain "Obsoletes RFC7810" in the header and the existing text in the abstract will also be retained.

Surely that is enough (as well as being standard practice).

 
> I also agree with Mirja's comments.

[Les:] Apologies to Mirja for not responding to her comment.
She suggested reference to RFCs such as RFC3393.

RFC 7810 referenced RFC6374 and RFC6375 - and this document retains those references.
We believe this adequately covers the "how to calculate" topic. 

   Les

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