Re: [Lsr] Status of draft-ietf-isis-encapsulation-cap

Wrong list for this discussion, Jingrong. 
Wrong draft to anchor this discussion to 😊

But anyway, I think you need to read the whole of draft-ietf-mpls-sr-over-ip carefully to see its scope, how it does not compete with SRv6, and how it provides a handy migration strategy.

Thanks,
Adrian

-----Original Message-----
From: Xiejingrong <xiejingrong@huawei.com> 
Sent: 15 April 2019 14:34
To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; bruno.decraene@orange.com
Cc: lsr@ietf.org
Subject: RE: [Lsr] Status of draft-ietf-isis-encapsulation-cap

Hi Adrian,
Is the intra-AS SR over IP really a key use case for draft-ietf-mpls-sr-over-ip ?
I saw it says for this use case: "Tunneling MPLS into IP provides a technology that enables SR in an IPv4 and/or IPv6 network where the routers do not support SRv6 capabilities ..."
SRv6 may have easier tunneling method, and SR-MPLS may not want to add another 'tunneling' within an IGP network.
Would this draft-ietf-mpls-sr-over-ip be processed better focusing on the clear use case 'Tunnel Between SR-MPLS Sites', but without the dependency of the heavy IGP extension to support the intra-AS deployment of uncertain usecase/cost/tradeoff/.... ?

Thanks
Jingrong

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From: Lsr [mailto:lsr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2019 9:05 PM
To: bruno.decraene@orange.com
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Subject: Re: [Lsr] Status of draft-ietf-isis-encapsulation-cap

Nice response, Bruno.
Thanks.
Adrian

-----Original Message-----
From: bruno.decraene@orange.com <bruno.decraene@orange.com>
Sent: 15 April 2019 10:47
To: adrian@olddog.co.uk
Cc: lsr@ietf.org
Subject: RE: [Lsr] Status of draft-ietf-isis-encapsulation-cap

Hi Adrian,

> On the other hand,
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-encapsulation-cap/ 
> found its way onto the RFC Editor Queue at around the same date and 
> has
languished
> there ever since.

The OSPF document progressed well. The decision was made to normatively reference the IDR document for some codepoints, mostly because the IDR document was pre-dating.
But then IDR document did not progress that fast and hence the OSPF document is in RFC editor queue waiting for the normative reference (for 538 days i.e. 1,5 years and counting).

> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-isis-encapsulation-cap/ 
> shows
expired in October 2017,

The OSPF document had been significantly updated/rewritten toward the end which required some significant work. Since there were less traction with the IS-IS counterpart, to be honest I did not feel motivated to do the equivalent work for the IS-IS draft.
If there is an interest for the IS-IS draft, we can revive and update it.
OTOH, I'd rather avoid doing the work just to see the WG not progressing it to IESG during last call

I assume (1) that your interest is coming from the IESG review on draft-ietf-mpls-sr-over-ip. draft-ietf-mpls-sr-over-ip is built over the IGP use case and hence relies on IGP advertising the encapsulation capability.
Hence the normative reference, hence the fear the document would stay in the RFC editor queue for some time/ever. I think that this process question is mostly for the IESG. Personally I feel that a pragmatic approach would be to keep OSPF as a normative reference and downgrade IS-IS as informative. That may seem like a strange difference of treatment but the alternative is likely to just "silently" remove the IS-IS reference which would be an even bigger different of treatment.

Regards,

Bruno

(1) Actually, your PS made it clear.

PS:
> Any clues?
Thanks for not asking for the solution. That makes me feel more useful, for the same amount of work ;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: Lsr [mailto:lsr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel
Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2019 5:59 PM
To: lsr@ietf.org
Subject: [Lsr] Status of draft-ietf-isis-encapsulation-cap

Hi,

Any clues?

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-isis-encapsulation-cap/ shows expired in October 2017, so I guess that is good and dead.

On the other hand,
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-encapsulation-cap/ found its way onto the RFC Editor Queue at around the same date and has languished there ever since.

Did the ISIS work get replaced by some other draft without the "replaced by"
link being set up?
Was it deemed unnecessary in ISIS?

Thanks,
Adrian (who is trying to get draft-ietf-mpls-sr-over-ip through the IESG and finds a reference to this draft)
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