Re: [ltans] Concrete examples of long-term archiving

todd glassey <tglassey@earthlink.net> Wed, 10 August 2011 13:12 UTC

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On 8/10/2011 1:38 AM, Istvan Zsolt BERTA wrote:
>
> Dear Martín,
>
> In Hungary, the authentic long-term archival of electronically signed 
> documents is included in the e-signature law. Aside qualified CAs, we 
> also have qualified archiving service providers.
>
Is there a Design Specification available?

Todd
>
>
> The Hungarian Chamber of Notaries is running an archival project since 
> 2007. Certain classes of notarial deeds are archived electronically. 
> The notary creates the notarial deed on paper, scans it (as PDF), 
> signs it with her qualified electronic signature and sends it to the 
> archives (our company is a qualified archiving service provider, we 
> run these archives). A few million notarial deeds are archived this 
> way currently.
>
> Notaries create their signatures in XAdES-A format, and in the 
> archives these signatures are archived in an LTANS ERS -like format. 
> We do not use ERS because when our system was started, ERS RFCs were 
> not available yet, but our logic is very similar to ERS.
>
>
> Electronically signed documents are also used (and archived) in 
> context of the Hungarian registry of businesses. If you want to found 
> a company in Hungary, you need to turn to a lawyer, and your lawyer 
> submits the necessary electronically signed documents to the business 
> registry court. The judge at the registry court also creates an 
> electronically signed resolution.
> Lawyers are required to archive these electronically signed documents, 
> e.g. using a qualified archiving provider. This system also involves 
> millions of documents, but only a small fraction of them is archived 
> currently. (There are already certain resolutions that were not 
> archived properly and their timestamps expired. They are problematic.)
>
>
> Unfortunately I have very little written information on this in 
> English (our English website is rather just a placeholder):
>
> http://www.berta.hu/publications/Berta2007efpe.pdf (of year 2007)
> http://www.berta.hu/publications/Berta2011efpe.pdf (of year 2011)
> http://srv.e-szigno.hu/menu/index.php?lap=english_archiving
> http://srv.e-szigno.hu/menu/index.php?lap=english_firm_registry
>
> If you have any further questions, feel free to ask, and I shall do my 
> best to answer.
>
> Regards,
>
> István
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 2011.08.04. 18:21 keltezéssel, Martin Augusto G. Vigil írta:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am a PhD student and I have been working on a survey on long-term
>> authenticity and proof of existence. I have found many solutions
>> (e.g. ERS, Patricia Trees, etc), projects (e.g. ArchiSig, Prokopius,
>> HP's Content Integrity Service) and even acts (Sarbanes-Oxley Act,
>> Directive 2001/115/EC) but few real life examples in which long-term
>> archiving is required and was already used.
>>
>> May someone point some concrete examples?
>>
>> Kind regards, ---- Martín A. Gagliotti Vigil Technische Universität
>> Darmstadt Cryptography and Computer Algebra Hochschulstraße 10 64289
>> Darmstadt, Germany Room: S2/02 B216 Tel.: +49 6151 16-5416
>>
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