Re: [Madinas] About draft-ietf-madinas-use-cases-07 and a potential way forward

Juan Carlos Zuniga <j.c.zuniga@ieee.org> Thu, 22 February 2024 09:44 UTC

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 17:44:34 +0800
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Subject: Re: [Madinas] About draft-ietf-madinas-use-cases-07 and a potential way forward
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Hi Carlos,

(chair hat off)

I agree with your proposal. Unless people have suggestions about the BCP, I
think we can focus this document on the use cases and leave the study about
existing solutions in an Annex, as you suggested. Perhaps we can also add
some references to the work in radext.

Best,

Jc

On Tue, Feb 20, 2024 at 8:03 AM CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO <cjbc@it.uc3m.es>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I've checked one more time draft-ietf-madinas-use-cases-07, and I'd like
> to make a proposal to move forward with the document.
>
> I think the document is valuable, and therefore should be published (as
> the WG is chartered to do). My personal opinion is that we should remove
> the requirements section of the draft, making it less formal (I believe the
> WG will probably not recharter to do any protocol work, and therefore there
> is no need for "formal" requirements).
>
> Additionally, since it also seems that the WG will not work on the BCP
> document that we were originally chartered to do, I think that we can bring
> back the text on existing solutions (802.1X, OpenRoaming, etc.) to an
> annex, and perhaps refer to the other WBA/OpenRoaming draft(s). I found
> this text quite informational.
>
> I'd appreciate feedback from the WG, to help the draft authors
> understand what changes are needed in the next revision.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Carlos
>
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