[mailmaint] Re: Call for adoption: draft-gallagher-email-unobtrusive-signatures-01 (Ends 2025-11-21)
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Subject: [mailmaint] Re: Call for adoption: draft-gallagher-email-unobtrusive-signatures-01 (Ends 2025-11-21)
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On 12/2/25 10:06 AM, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > On Tue 2025-12-02 09:20:04 -0500, Ken Murchison wrote: >> Yes, please rename and upload the document as >> /draft-ietf-mailmaint-email-unubtrusive-signatures-00/ > does it need to be mailmaint-email-unobtrusive, or are you ok with just > mailmaint-unobtrusive ? shorter slugs seem better :) That's fine with me. >> Also, if we already have early implementations, can we add a >> RFC7942-style Implementation Status section to document and track our >> work in this area? > Sure, we will add this to a future revision. If you have pointers to > other drafts that you think do this well, i'd be happy to model it off > of them. I don't know if this was done well or not, but here is an example of what I have done in the past: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-extra-processimip-07#name-implementation-status -- Kenneth Murchison Staff Software Developer Fastmail US LLC IETF MailMaint Co-Chair
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- [mailmaint] Re: Call for adoption: draft-gallaghe… Kai Engert
- [mailmaint] Re: Call for adoption: draft-gallaghe… Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- [mailmaint] Re: Call for adoption: draft-gallaghe… Ken Murchison
- [mailmaint] message canonicalization for signing/… Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- [mailmaint] Re: Call for adoption: draft-gallaghe… Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- [mailmaint] Re: Call for adoption: draft-gallaghe… Bron Gondwana
- [mailmaint] Re: message canonicalization for sign… Bron Gondwana
- [mailmaint] Re: message canonicalization for sign… Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- [mailmaint] Re: Call for adoption: draft-gallaghe… Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- [mailmaint] Re: Call for adoption: draft-gallaghe… Ken Murchison
- [mailmaint] Re: Call for adoption: draft-gallaghe… Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- [mailmaint] Re: Call for adoption: draft-gallaghe… Ken Murchison
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