Re: [maitai] Roles of Sender and Receiver
"Duckworth, Mark" <Mark.Duckworth@polycom.com> Thu, 02 December 2010 14:34 UTC
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Peter, That is a very good question. I think we don't have an easy answer yet, it needs some discussion. The issue gets a bit more complicated for multipoint, when there could be an MCU in the middle that is also part of the decision process. >Consider a three display, 3 camera (3d3c) room A sending to a 1d1c room B. >Does A offer all three streams to B and let B pick? That is certainly a good possibility. If B can choose dynamically, changing the choice during the session, it is similar to the current standard ability for B to select a video source from A using the H.281 SELECT VIDEO SOURCE message. But the list of possible sources supported in H.281 isn't good enough for this application. Maybe B wants to receive something like "current speaker stream" or "presenter stream", no matter which of A's three cameras it comes from. I think of this as B making a higher level choice, and delegating the specific choice to A. Maybe A is capable of sending a single stream that includes all the people in the room (perhaps by zooming out a camera, or combining three camera images into a single stream). B might prefer to receive that type of stream. I tend to agree an approach that gives B some control is more powerful and useful. But I also think there are use cases where we want everything to be automatic, so we should not require a human user at site B to do anything in order to receive useful streams. Mark Duckworth -----Original Message----- I have been pondering possible ways of representing a room configuration - but I think I need to back up and ask a question about basic interop architecture. In the selection of content on a stream, who is the active decision making entity, sender - or receiver - or both? Consider a three display, 3 camera (3d3c) room A sending to a 1d1c room B. Does A offer all three streams to B and let B pick? (This leads in the direction of dynamic changes based on B, which is powerful but leads us into continuous control...) Does A determine B has only one display and select which video B should get and send only one stream? IHMO an approach which lets B have control over what it gets is more powerful. e.g. If I have heard the pitch from the speaker 100 times, I want to watch the customer and see if they are engaged, rather than watch the active speaker blather on.... Peter
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