Re: [manet] IANA section of draft-ietf-manet-olsrv2-multitopology
Abdussalam Baryun <abdussalambaryun@gmail.com> Fri, 21 November 2014 02:39 UTC
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Subject: Re: [manet] IANA section of draft-ietf-manet-olsrv2-multitopology
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Dear Authors, I did not discuss this subject because waiting for the full respond from the authors, but still waiting for the full respond to the AD. I now see a decision [1] of blocking this multitopology-draft and writing another draft which has been indicated indirectly on the list. I recommend that the update draft TLV naming to be only for multitopology and not in general. [1] http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/manet/current/msg17111.html On 8/18/14, Dearlove, Christopher (UK) <chris.dearlove@baesystems.com> wrote: > Just an acknowledgement of this. No time today at least to get to most of > it. And what follows is the problem, without any proposed solution. > Please help to answer all comments of the AD, so we need to discuss them to get to a best decision/conclusion. > I will just note that we have a n issue as to whether names should be > assigned to TLV types, or extended types. Sometimes a type naturally takes a > whole set of type and type extension, such as link metric. But sometimes > just a single extended type is required, and there's no reason for the other > extended types with the same type to have the same name. In fact it would be > quite confusing to have to do so. There should be a clear standard of how and when to do this naming, as you mentioned below that there should be a policy for RFC5444. > > So here we have an extended type that's related, but quite confusing to use > the same name for. Really here we want to name extended types. Simply using > the same name across all the extended types is not going to work longer term > (such as if we run out of types with extension zero). > > Of course this is a problem in that 5444 didn't describe a policy here, and > usage just evolved. Do you suggest writing a policy to solve the problem? > > With hindsight, I think I'd give types a name, and allow extended types to > have a name. We need to know when and for which reason that we do such naming with both types. > So in this case the type might be MPR related, type extension 0 > would be MPR_WILLING, then this would be proposing (just for the moment > let's ignore the experimental issue) that type extension 1 was MPR_TYPES > etc. Even that might be too restrictive (type name MPR is a rather narrow). > But several of our existing TLVs have no reason to have a block of 256 all > with same name (I do not see 256 variants of LINK_STATUS). > > -- > Christopher Dearlove > Senior Principal Engineer, Information Assurance Group > Communications, Networks and Image Analysis Capability > BAE Systems Advanced Technology Centre > West Hanningfield Road, Great Baddow, Chelmsford, CM2 8HN, UK > Tel: +44 1245 242194 | Fax: +44 1245 242124 > chris.dearlove@baesystems.com | http://www.baesystems.com > > BAE Systems (Operations) Limited > Registered Office: Warwick House, PO Box 87, Farnborough Aerospace Centre, > Farnborough, Hants, GU14 6YU, UK > Registered in England & Wales No: 1996687 > > -----Original Message----- > From: manet [mailto:manet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel > Sent: 18 August 2014 13:48 > To: draft-ietf-manet-olsrv2-multitopology.all@tools.ietf.org > Cc: manet@ietf.org > Subject: [manet] IANA section of draft-ietf-manet-olsrv2-multitopology > > ----------------------! WARNING ! ---------------------- This message > originates from outside our organisation, either from an external partner or > from the internet. > Consider carefully whether you should click on any links, open any > attachments or reply. > Follow the 'Report Suspicious Emails' link on IT matters for instructions on > reporting suspicious email messages. > -------------------------------------------------------- > > Hi, > > I have started my AD review of your draft having received the publication > request. before I get too far into the document, I want to discuss the IANA > Considerations section which, I think, needs a little work. > > - - - > > The IANA Considerations section of the document does not give IANA clear > instructions about what they should do. They need to hear: > - go to registry named foo > - go to sub-registry named bar > - make the following change to the registry... > > Everything else is a distraction to them and needs to come out of the > document completely or be moved to another section. > > - - - > > But first, two meta questions: > > 1. In some of the sub-registries where you are assigning new Type > Extensions, there is already scope for "Experimental Use." Why do > you feel the need to have Expert Review assignments rather than using > experimental values (the latter would not have their values recorded > against this RFC nor have the values recorded in this RFC)? > > I should add here that you *are* allowed to have Expert Review > assignments for Experimental RFCs (if the experts so agree). > > 2. I am fixing (on this week's IESG telechat) the fact that many of > these sub-registries are missing their Designated Experts. That's a > formality, and the WG chairs can stand in these roles. > > However, I suspect that the DEs have not explicitly made clear that > they are OK with the assignments in this document. That's OK, but I > just need to know (normally in the Shepherd write-up) and to let you > know that IANA will ping the DEs at some point to get them to sign > off, so making sure that they are happy in advance is a good way to > avoid surprises. > > (The guidance to DEs in 5444/6.1 seems very clear.) > > - - - > > Section 13.1 as far as I can tell does not change the guidelines to the > Designated Experts that have already been established. So I think you can > safely delete this section. In particular, this section does not give IANA > any information. > > - - - > > Section 13.2 > >> This specification replaces Table 11 of [RFC7181]. > > This reads like you are Updating 7181 (i.e. changing that specification). > I don't believe that is your intention > > >> That specified a >> Message MPR Type described as MPR_WILLING, for which only Type >> Extension 0 was defined. This specification reserves that name >> MPR_WILLING for Type Extension 0, > > I think you mean "retains". "Reserve" has a specific IANA meaning of "not > available for use". > > However, it appears that you are updating the text for the MPR_WILLING/0 > value in the "MPR_WILLING Message Type Extensions" sub-registry found at > https://www.iana.org/assignments/manet-parameters/manet-parameters.xhtml#mpr-wil > ling-message-type-extension > > This you observe in the next sentence where you say: > >> It also changes the Value field >> specification of the MPR_WILLING TLV. > > You need to show IANA the old text and the new text. I think that the text > in your Table 2 may be useful to retain in this document (in another > section) but is too much text for IANA to include in their registry. > >> defines a new Type Extension 1, with a new name MPR_TYPES, > > I don't think you can do this! > Type 7 is already entirely known as MPR_WILLING (see the "Message TLV Types" > sub-registry). > > So your choice here is to use a new Message TLV or to retain the same name > for the new Type Extension. > > As far as IANA is concerned, you need to tell them: > - in which sub-registry to include Type Extension 1 > - what text to include with it > >> and leaves the remaining Type Extensions of this TLV Type unnamed. > > "Unnamed"? Maybe you mean "Unassigned"? > >> Specifications of these TLVs are in Table 2. Each of these TLVs MUST >> NOT be included more than once in a Message TLV Block. > > I don't think that IANA needs to see this table, and certainly doesn't need > to know about the protocol rules. > > - - - > > Section 13.3 > >> Table 16 of [RFC7181] is replaced by Table 3. Note that the only >> change is to the description of the Value field. > > If you are replacing a table in 7181 then you are updating 7181. But is that > what this draft is doing? > > Anyway, I don't think IANA is interested in this point. They want to know > what changes to make to the "GATEWAY Address Block TLV Type Extensions" > sub-registry at > https://www.iana.org/assignments/manet-parameters/manet-parameters.xhtml#gateway > -address-block-tlv-type-extension > > Again, just old and new text. > > If you want to include Table 3 in this document, then please put it outside > this section. > >> Table 13 of [RFC7181] is replaced by Table 4. Note that the only >> change is to allocate 8 Type Extensions as assigned by administrative >> action, in order to support administratively determined multi- >> topologies. > > Pretty much exactly the same considerations. > > - - - > > If you can answer all this quickly, I can go ahead with the rest of my > review. I suspect that the answers will need a revised I-D, but we can batch > that with the rest of my review once I know what the answers are. > > Thanks, > Adrian > IMHO, the WG should discuss the respond from the AD. Best Regards AB
- [manet] IANA section of draft-ietf-manet-olsrv2-m… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [manet] IANA section of draft-ietf-manet-olsr… Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
- Re: [manet] IANA section of draft-ietf-manet-olsr… Abdussalam Baryun
- Re: [manet] IANA section of draft-ietf-manet-olsr… Dearlove, Christopher (UK)