Re: [manet] (DLEP) Relative Link Quality and routing metrics

Henning Rogge <hrogge@gmail.com> Fri, 20 April 2018 19:18 UTC

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From: Henning Rogge <hrogge@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2018 21:18:24 +0200
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Subject: Re: [manet] (DLEP) Relative Link Quality and routing metrics
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On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 2:55 PM, Rick Taylor
<rick@tropicalstormsoftware.com> wrote:
> I would suggest you return to the radio vendor and request they support
> more metrics than RLQ in updates.
>
> If they are DLEP compliant, then they MUST support MDR,CDR,Latency per
> session, and you could modify the session-wide CDR values by the RLQ in
> some non-uniform manner.

We are working on extending an existing radio with a DLEP adapter...
so asking for other metric data is difficult. ;)

On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 9:06 PM, Stan Ratliff <ratliffstan@gmail.com> wrote:
> Henning,
>
> What we did at Cisco was to add to the route cost, based on how much RLQ had
> dropped. A document on the route cost calculations (for OSPF) is at
> https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/ios/12_4t/ip_mobility/configuration/guide/ip_manet.html
> Look for Section "OSPF Cost Calculation for VMI Interfaces". You'll see we
> used a hard-coded '65535' in the calcuations, IIRC, (it's been a few years),
> that's the maximum OSPF route cost.

Interesting... yes, this is helpful.

It is also funny how complicated some part of the formula got because
of integer arithmetic (by multiplying most of the things with 100).

Henning