Re: [Manycouches] New Version Notification for draft-kuehlewind-shmoo-online-meeting-03.txt

[Alexandre Petrescu <[e-mail]>]

Le 16/11/2021 à 16:29, Martin Duke a écrit :
> Alexandre,
> 
> I don't think we should move away from the existing consensus for an 
> even split of Asia, Europe, and North America.

I am not sure what do you mean?

RFC8719 says "Note that the boundaries between those regions have been 
purposefully left undefined."

What was that purpose?

Also RFC8719 says "It is important to note that such rotation and any 
effects to distributing travel pain should be considered from a 
long-term perspective. "

That means _travel_ pain, not the wake up at night pain.

Also, now the long term perspective is rather that there is less travel 
pain but more remote meeting pain.

The two pains are very different.

When a majority travels and a minority wakes up at night the balance 
should be stricken in favor of those who travel: minimize the pain of 
those who travel.

When a majority wakes up at night and a minority travels the balance 
should be stricken in favor of those who wake up at night: minimize the 
pain of those who wake up at night.

Or maybe we disagree on this long term perspective?

Alex

> 
> On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 7:24 AM Alexandre Petrescu 
> <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>     Le 09/11/2021 à 14:33, Mirja Kuehlewind a écrit :
>      > Hi all,
>      >
>      > we resubmitted this draft with a minor but important change.
>     After all the extensive analysis we did we finally got the numbers
>     wrong in the text...
>      >
>      > Mirja
>      >
>      >
>      > On 09.11.21, 14:31, "[e-mail]
>     <mailto:[e-mail]>" <[e-mail]
>     <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>      >
>      >
>      >      A new version of I-D,
>     draft-kuehlewind-shmoo-online-meeting-03.txt
>      >      has been successfully submitted by Mirja Kühlewind and
>     posted to the
>      >      IETF repository.
>      >
>      >      Name:            draft-kuehlewind-shmoo-online-meeting
>      >      Revision:        03
>      >      Title:           Guidelines for the Organization of Fully
>     Online Meetings
>      >      Document date:   2021-11-09
>      >      Group:           Individual Submission
>      >      Pages:           10
>      >      URL:
>     https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-kuehlewind-shmoo-online-meeting-03.txt
>     <https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-kuehlewind-shmoo-online-meeting-03.txt>
>      >      Status:
>     https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kuehlewind-shmoo-online-meeting/
>     <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kuehlewind-shmoo-online-meeting/>
>      >      Html:
>     https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-kuehlewind-shmoo-online-meeting-03.html
>     <https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-kuehlewind-shmoo-online-meeting-03.html>
>      >      Htmlized:
>     https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-kuehlewind-shmoo-online-meeting
>     <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-kuehlewind-shmoo-online-meeting>
>      >      Diff:
>     https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-kuehlewind-shmoo-online-meeting-03
>     <https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-kuehlewind-shmoo-online-meeting-03>
>      >
>      >      Abstract:
>      >         This document provides guidelines for the planning and
>     organization
>      >         of fully online meetings, regarding the number, length, and
>      >         composition of sessions on the meeting agenda.  These
>     guidelines are
>      >         based on the experience after the COVID-19 pandemic in 2020.
> 
>     It says:
>      >   
>     +===============+=========================+=========================+
>      >    | Name          | Times (Northern Summer) | Times (Northern   
>           |
>      >    |               |                         | Winter)           
>           |
>      >   
>     +===============+=========================+=========================+
>      >    | North America | 0500-1100 UTC           | 0600-1200 UTC     
>           |
>      >    | Night         |                         |                   
>           |
>      >   
>     +---------------+-------------------------+-------------------------+
>      >    | Asia Night    | 1300-1900 UTC           | 1400-2000 UTC     
>           |
>      >   
>     +---------------+-------------------------+-------------------------+
>      >    | Europe Night  | 2200-0400 UTC           | 2200-0400 UTC     
>           |
>      >   
>     +---------------+-------------------------+-------------------------+
> 
>     I propose to say:
> 
>         
>     +===============+=========================+=========================+
>          | Name          | Times (Northern Summer) | Times (Northern   
>           |
>          |               |                         | Winter)           
>           |
>         
>     +===============+=========================+=========================+
>          | North America | 0500-1100 UTC           | 0600-1200 UTC     
>           |
>          | Night         |                         |                   
>           |
>         
>     +---------------+-------------------------+-------------------------+
>          | Asia Night    | 1100-1700 UTC           | 1200-1800 UTC     
>           |
>         
>     +---------------+-------------------------+-------------------------+
>          | Asia 2 Night  | 1700-2300 UTC           | 1800-0000 UTC     
>           |
>         
>     +---------------+-------------------------+-------------------------+
>          | Europe Night  | 2300-0500 UTC           | 0000-0600 UTC     
>           |
>         
>     +---------------+-------------------------+-------------------------+
> 
>     What do you think?
> 
>     Alex
> 
>      >
>      >
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