Re: [Manycouches] [Daniel Kahn Gillmor] [Tools-discuss] polls "show of hands": can we include a "i don't understand" or "not enough information" option

[Stephen Farrell <[e-mail]>]

Riffing on that:

It's traditional at BoFs to question the question. I
missed that this time. Offering a time for that to
happen, and for the session chairs to edit the question
is, I think, important.

I'd also argue for a "wrong question" answer option
regardless of the above and I bet it'd win a load of
times:-)

S.

On 19/11/2020 23:20, Martin Duke wrote:
> [adding manycouches, because cuz there's no shmoo@ list]
> 
> Hi dkg,
> 
> Thanks for the input!
> 
> We consciously decided to implement a bare-bones version of this tool, to
> gather just this kind of feedback, before prioritizing enhancements. We
> (meaning the IESG committee handling remote meeting issues) will definitely
> consider this as a next step.
> 
> I filed a tracking issue for this in the document github:
> https://github.com/martinduke/draft-duke-shmoo-virtual-hum/issues/3
> 
> Martin
> 
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 2:57 PM Daniel Kahn Gillmor <[e-mail]>
> wrote:
> 
>> hi shmoo folks--
>>
>> (not subscribed, please keep me in cc)
>>
>> I made the attached suggestion for augmenting the "show of hands" tool
>> over on tools-discuss, and Alessandro from Meetecho rightly re-pointed
>> me to this list for discussion of draft-duke-shmoo-show-of-hands.
>>
>> In the thread over on tools-discuss, ekr (in cc) raised a suggestion
>> (which i like) pushing for something like the "alternate architecture"
>> described in §4.1 of draft-duke-shmoo-show-of-hands-00.
>>
>> I suspect ekr's suggestion would be a heavier engineering lift than my
>> simple proposal here -- maybe it'd make sense to consider implementing
>> the simple thing first, and then flesh out the more complex approach?
>>
>> Thanks for thinking through this kind of information-gathering tool.
>> there are so many ways to do it, and each choice has a real impact on
>> the ways that we think about the decisions we're making in this group.
>>
>>      --dkg
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Daniel Kahn Gillmor <[e-mail]>
>> To: [e-mail]
>> Cc:
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>> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2020 13:15:16 -0500
>> Subject: [Tools-discuss] polls "show of hands": can we include a "i don't
>> understand" or "not enough information" option
>> Currently, when there's a show of hands in meetecho, there are two
>> actions any participant can take:
>>
>>   - raise my hand
>>   - do not raise my hand
>>
>> in my experience, if a meeting has 100 participants, you're lucky to get
>> 50 that select either of the above options.  At least half tend to give
>> no response at all.
>>
>> There are two reasons to give neither response though:
>>
>>   - the question is confusing, invalid, wrong, i didn't understand it, or
>>     i'm not sure of the answer
>>
>>   - i am asleep/bored/not paying attention
>>
>> It'd be nice to be able to to distinguish between these two large
>> classes of non-responding participants.  This is akin to including an
>> "N/A" or "Don't know" answer in a multiple choice survey.
>>
>> Could such a option be added?  I don't want clutter with a dozen extra
>> options, but it would be useful to know how many people are paying
>> attention but object to the binary framing for whatever reason.
>>
>>         --dkg
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