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Re: [Masque] MASQUE detection through tracking trackers

Töma Gavrichenkov <ximaera@gmail.com> Tue, 05 November 2019 22:08 UTC

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From: Töma Gavrichenkov <ximaera@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2019 01:08:06 +0300
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To: Lucas Pardue <lucaspardue.24.7@gmail.com>
Cc: Ben Schwartz <bemasc=40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, David Schinazi <dschinazi.ietf@gmail.com>, Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com>, Nick Harper <nharper@google.com>, masque@ietf.org
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Subject: Re: [Masque] MASQUE detection through tracking trackers
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Peace,

On Wed, Nov 6, 2019, 12:28 AM Lucas Pardue <lucaspardue.24.7@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Arguably the only one of those three that has long-lived high-traffic
> traffic patterns in a single connection (like you might see in a VPN-like
> connection) is video and sadly the number of legitimate video streaming
> services is easy to enumerate*.
>

Also gaming.  Your concern still applies though, and even more: gaming
protocols usually don't give a flying flamingo about the issues of privacy
and detectability.

Quite the opposite actually: those are *usually* designed to be very easy
to track, b/c their authors want the protocol to be easily RSVP'd through
Mikrotiks et cetera.  The same might be true for some video streaming.

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Töma

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