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Re: [MBONED] WGLC: draft-ietf-mboned-interdomain-peering-bcp-06

"Holland, Jake" <jholland@akamai.com> Fri, 06 January 2017 02:38 UTC

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From: "Holland, Jake" <jholland@akamai.com>
To: Stig Venaas <stig@venaas.com>, Greg Shepherd <gjshep@gmail.com>
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On 1/5/17, 11:40 AM, "Stig Venaas" <stig@venaas.com> wrote:
    I see in 4.2.3 it says:
      o Using the information from the metadata, and possibly information
         provisioned directly in the EU client, a DNS query is initiated in
         order to connect the EU client/AMT Gateway to an AMT Relay.
    
    Do we already have a solution that allows for choosing a different
    relay for different sources? I would be interested in more details. I
    guess it may be out of scope here. But is there already a way of
    describing this with metadata for any applications or EU clients? As a
    BCP it should ideally refer to things that already are in use.


The Octoshape media client does something that fits this description. The (S,G) and the relay address can be provisioned in the client based on metadata it receives at runtime. The DNS is optional, but in this context it’s an example, and I think this describes a real-life scenario that’s deployed today.


To be on the safe side, having mentioned the Octoshape client, I should probably make an IPR disclosure:
There are some patents related to the Octoshape technology that I believe are now owned by Akamai and/or its subsidiaries. Though I do not believe this nuance of configurable AMT relay discovery is covered in any of the claims, the Octoshape system itself does use some patent-encumbered technology, and if you are inspired to examine its behavior in light of this discussion or for some other reason, please be aware that you should consider the patents appropriately.

Cheers,
Jake

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