Re: [mif-arch-dt] Fwd: modified MIF slides

Dave Thaler <dthaler@microsoft.com> Thu, 01 August 2013 09:57 UTC

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From: Dave Thaler <dthaler@microsoft.com>
To: "Cao,Zhen" <zehn.cao@gmail.com>, Aaron Yi DING <Aaron.Ding@cl.cam.ac.uk>
Thread-Topic: [mif-arch-dt] Fwd: modified MIF slides
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Subject: Re: [mif-arch-dt] Fwd: modified MIF slides
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Slide 8 re "Full enumeration of PVD elements"

That's not possible in the IETF.  That's because some PVD elements might be implementation-specific and not standardized.
So you cannot (and should not) standardize a "full" enumeration.
Maybe change to "Cover a list of PVD elements"?

-Dave

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mif-arch-dt-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:mif-arch-dt-bounces@ietf.org]
> On Behalf Of Cao,Zhen
> Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2013 11:11 AM
> To: Aaron Yi DING
> Cc: mif-arch-dt@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [mif-arch-dt] Fwd: modified MIF slides
> 
> I update the slides a little bit with Margaret's suggestion.
> 
> @Dengbo, please use this version If no more comments.
> 
> @Team:  please be there to help handle questions...  save me...
> 
> Thank you all,
> caozhen
> 
> On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Cao,Zhen <zehn.cao@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> A minor one: the phrase "Volunteers and text suggestions welcome!"
> >> could be moved to the last page. Or simply adding "Comments are
> >> welcome" in the final slide.
> >
> > Thanks, Aaron.
> >
> > But I actually prefer it remains there. The last slide is for open
> > question and discussion, and the one before for next step.
> >
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Aaron
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Thank you,
> >>> caozhen
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Margaret Wasserman
> >>> <mrw@lilacglade.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Here are the current slides
> >>>>
> >>>> Margaret
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Begin forwarded message:
> >>>>
> >>>> From: Dmitry Anipko <Dmitry.Anipko@microsoft.com>
> >>>> Subject: FW: modified MIF slides
> >>>> Date: July 31, 2013 9:22:41 AM GMT+02:00
> >>>> To: Hui Deng <denghui02@hotmail.com>, Margaret Wasserman
> >>>> <mrw@lilacglade.org>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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