Re: [mif] declaring interface 'up', with WiFi DNS/HTTP interception (login) proxies [was RE: DNS selection with HE-MIF]

Alexandru Petrescu <alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com> Fri, 08 February 2013 17:12 UTC

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Subject: Re: [mif] declaring interface 'up', with WiFi DNS/HTTP interception (login) proxies [was RE: DNS selection with HE-MIF]
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Le 08/02/2013 14:48, Michael Richardson a écrit :
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>>>>>> "Keith" == Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com>
>>>>>> writes:
>>> For MIF -- not just HE-MIF, but all of MIF -- we should not
>>> declare an interface "up" until such a validation succeeds.  It
>>> is unfortunate this is not solved at layer 2, where it arguably
>>> belongs.
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> Keith> Would it be worthwhile for MIF to start making a list of
> Keith> things that really need solutions elsewhere?  Even if there
> Keith> are hacks or heuristics that are used in the absence of such
> Keith> solutions?
>
> Yes.
>
> In the portal case, we need a DHCP "login required" message.

YEs, tool useful.

Or an ARP reply message which could carry same "login required".  This
could be sent by the default router to the Client when it presents its
MAC address.

Rather ARP than DHCP because the end effect of the portal authentication
is the opening of a firewall filter which is based on the MAC address.
ARP is at the same level.

> It would be nice if we also had a BCP on how to signal and upgrade
> From HTTP login to some DHCP EAP, perhaps using a EAP-TLS resume
> From the HTTP session state.  This would permit captive portals to
> recognize re-logins.

Same with ARP...

Alex

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