Re: [mile] Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-mile-xmpp-grid-09
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Subject: Re: [mile] Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-mile-xmpp-grid-09
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A few further thoughts from a co-author but not primary author. On 3/4/19 4:00 PM, Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing) wrote: > Hi Matt, thanks for the review. Please see below for comments: > > On 1/23/19, 10:01, "Matthew Miller" <linuxwolf+ietf@outer-planes.net> wrote: > > Reviewer: Matthew Miller > Review result: Has Issues > > I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's > ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the > IESG. These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the > security area directors. Document editors and WG chairs should > treat these comments just like any other last call comments. > > Document: draft-ietf-mile-xmpp-grid-09 > Reviewer: Matthew A. Miller > Review Date: 2018-01-23 > IETF LC End Date: 2019-01-14 > IESG Telechat date: 2019-01-24 > > Summary: > > This document defines an architecture for distributing security > information using publish-subscribe semantics over XMPP. It is > well written and addressed many (but not all) known concerns > of a publish-subscribe > > This document has issues that should be addressed before it is > ready to be published as a Proposed Standard. > > > Major Issues: > > The document does not explicitly discuss the implications of the > Controller and Broker having plaintext access and control of the > published data. It seems to be implied in the section 8.2.3 for > the Controller (and, for those proficient with XMPP, the Broker). > I am not strongly recommending any sort of end-to-end protections > be proscribed (since existing protections are likely unsuitable > for this architecture). > [NCW] We have added a sentence in 8.3.3 to address protection > against controller/broker to employ end-to-end encryption. Matt's point about "this architecture" is relevant. We should make it clearer in the document that the XMPP-Grid is not intended to be an open system that any arbitrary entity can join; instead, it is a private network (not connected to the public XMPP network) to which only authorized entities are allowed access. > The document does not have any real discussion around persistence > of node items. if they are expected or desired to be persisted, > then there should be some discussion about retention policies > (meaning: deployments ought to have one), and behaviors when a > Platform subscribes to the Topic (e.g., should or may automatically > send the last published item to the recent subscriber). If not, > then some discussion on the implications of existing/historic > data being unavailable through this mechanism. > [NCW] Fair point. We added the following statements to the document to address this - > Note that the control plane may optionally also implement XEP-0203 to facilitate delayed > delivery of messages to the connected consumer as described in XEP-0060. Since information > may be timely and sensitive, capability providers should communicate to the controller > whether its messages can be cached for delayed delivery during configuration; such function > is out of scope for this document. In addition, we should mention the "pubsub#last-published" configuration option. Preservation or reconstruction of the history of messages sent to a Topic strikes me as a service that a Broker isn't required to provide (e.g., because the history might become quite large), just as a message archive for an email discussion list might be provided by an entity other than the delivery service. > Minor Issues: > > XMPP pubsub is complex, and node configuration reflects that. > Relying on XEP-0060 is something of a disservice to implementers, > in my opinion. Given the generic publish-subscribe pattern required here, it felt more appropriate to re-use an existing XMPP extension (of which there are numerous implementations) than to invent something new. > I suggest that an addition Topic creation > example be added that demonstrates the recommended configuration: > * pubsub#access-authorize or access-whitelist > * pubsub#persist_items = ?? (1 or 0) > * pubsub#send_last_published_item = ?? (on_sub? never?) > [NCW] That seems reasonable, I will add it as an option (as the current section does state it is the minimal for topic creation). Yes, on_sub ('When a new subscription is processed') seems appropriate. Peter
- [mile] Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-mile… Matthew Miller
- Re: [mile] Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-… Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)
- Re: [mile] Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [mile] Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-… Matthew Miller