Re: [MMUSIC] H.264 SVC and BUNDLE
Bernard Aboba <bernard_aboba@hotmail.com> Fri, 31 August 2012 01:30 UTC
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Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] H.264 SVC and BUNDLE
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Harald said: I lack the background to think about this... in existing equipment, if you want to do SST, but would be willing to do MST if the other end did not support SST, how would your offer look (without BUNDLE)? My head hurts a little when trying to guess, but from your question it sounds like you've done it, so it's better if you just paste an example. (BTW, this is really an MMUSIC discussion) [BA] RFC 6190 gives several examples of SST and MST offers: 7.3.1. Example for Offering a Single SVC Session7.3.2. Example for Offering a Single SVC Session Using scalable-layer-Id7.3.3. Example for Offering Multiple Sessions in MST7.3.4. Example for Offering Multiple Sessions in MST Including Operation with Answerer Using scalable-layer-id7.3.5. Example for Negotiating an SVC Stream with a Constrained Base Layer in SSTI believe that the answer to your question is closest to example 7.3.5 (SST) with a bit of 7.3.4 (MST) thrown in. Notice that Payload types 97 and 99 are similar but not the same (97 is SST, 99 is MST): Offer: a=group:DDP L1 L2 m=video 20000 RTP/AVP 97 96 a=rtpmap:96 H264-SVC/90000 a=fmtp:96 profile-level-id=53001e; packetization-mode=0; a=rtpmap:97 H264-SVC/90000 a=fmtp:97 profile-level-id=53001f; packetization-mode=1; a=mid:SST m=video 20002 RTP/AVP 98 a=rtpmap:98 H264/90000 a=fmtp:98 profile-level-id=4de00a; packetization-mode=0; mst-mode=NI-T; a=mid:L1 m=video 20004 RTP/AVP 99 a=rtpmap:99 H264-SVC/90000 a=fmtp:99 profile-level-id=53001F; packetization-mode=1; mst-mode=NI-TC; sprop-operation-point-info=<2,0,1,0,53000c, 3200,352,288,384,512>,<3,1,2,0,53001F,6400,704,576,768,1024>; a=mid:L2 a=depend:99 lay L1:98 On 08/30/2012 11:19 PM, Bernard Aboba wrote: Harald said: > My assumption has always been that if you were operating on a network > that could only apply diffserv to separate 5-tuples, you would allocate > the SSRCs comprising a multilayer encoding to different 5-tuples. [BA] RFC 6190 Section 1 says: This memo defines two basic modes for transmission of SVC data, single-session transmission (SST) and multi-session transmission (MST). In SST, a single RTP session is used for the transmission of all scalability layers comprising an SVC bitstream; in MST, the scalability layers are transported on different RTP sessions. [BA] So it is possible either to use multiple 5-tuples (MST) or a single 5-tuple (SST). However, my understanding is that the SST approach is more popular than MST. > This choice seems to be a choice that the application writer should take > before deciding whether or not to use BUNDLE, so it's a little hard to > see what the relationship to BUNDLE is. [BA] The open question has been how to indicate the desire for both layered coding and BUNDLE in SDP, given the backward compatibility issues we have talked about. For example, if it is desired to do SST and BUNDLE, do you signal MST and BUNDLE on different ports in the offer and then if SST and BUNDLE are supported by the answer, have the answer respond with BUNDLE as well as dependency groups using the same port? That would seem to imply an assumption that every MST implementation can also do SST. Or do do you signal SST and BUNDLE on the same port, and then if the response indicates that the SDP was rejected, formulate an alternative offer (MST with BUNDLE? H.264/AVC with BUNDLE? SST without BUNDLE??)
- Re: [MMUSIC] H.264 SVC and BUNDLE Bernard Aboba
- Re: [MMUSIC] H.264 SVC and BUNDLE Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [MMUSIC] H.264 SVC and BUNDLE Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] H.264 SVC and BUNDLE Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [MMUSIC] H.264 SVC and BUNDLE Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] H.264 SVC and BUNDLE Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [MMUSIC] H.264 SVC and BUNDLE Cullen Jennings (fluffy)