Re: [MMUSIC] 4572 update: forbid weak hashes?

Roman Shpount <roman@telurix.com> Thu, 07 April 2016 21:25 UTC

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From: Roman Shpount <roman@telurix.com>
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Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] 4572 update: forbid weak hashes?
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On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 5:13 PM, Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 7 April 2016 at 17:55, Roman Shpount <roman@telurix.com> wrote:
> > If I understand your proposal correctly this will cause DTLS association
> for
> > RTCP to be rejected since it did not match a single SHA-256 fingerprint.
> > This is definitely undesirable.
>
> Well, the entity generating the SDP is not constrained by the hashes
> that the two devices support, is it?
>

This all depends on the architecture.  In the solution I had to deal with
RTP and RTCP would generate temporary certificates and send only
fingerprints to the device which produced final SDP.

I do agree this is esoteric.

But, assuming that it is, then my original text did have the property
> you describe.
>

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Roman Shpount