Re: [MMUSIC] WGLC for draft-ietf-mmusic-delayed-duplication-01

Ari Keränen <ari.keranen@ericsson.com> Wed, 24 April 2013 21:07 UTC

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Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] WGLC for draft-ietf-mmusic-delayed-duplication-01
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On 4/24/13 9:32 AM, Ali C. Begen (abegen) wrote:
>
> On Apr 24, 2013, at 7:27 AM, Ari Keränen <ari.keranen@ericsson.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I reviewed the draft and noticed that in the intro section you
>> mention a possible DoS attack using the delayed duplication
>> functionality, but it's not discussed at all in the security
>> considerations section. Should that be addressed too?
>>
>
> Really? the whole section talks about what could happen if someone
> could modify the SDP (number of dup streams, delays, etc.).
> Especially the last paragraph mentions this. is it not clear?

Not really. I guess I was expecting something more for a "new series of 
denial-of-service attacks" than what was described in the security 
section. To make this more clear, perhaps you could use the term DoS 
also in the security section, where applicable.

Especially the last section talks about software bug or 
misconfiguration, but couldn't an active attacker also do this?


Cheers,
Ari