Re: [MMUSIC] BUNDLE DECISION Q6: Do we always mandate 2 Offer/Answers during session establishment?

Paul Kyzivat <pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu> Wed, 13 November 2013 19:14 UTC

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Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] BUNDLE DECISION Q6: Do we always mandate 2 Offer/Answers during session establishment?
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On 11/13/13 10:42 AM, Christer Holmberg wrote:
> Hi Paul,
>
>> This works for me except for one thing: the word "session", which I fear is sufficiently ambiguous to present trouble.
>>
>> I suggest using "multi-media session". (We can't use "SIP session" or "SIP dialog" because this might be used without SIP.)
>
> I agree regarding not being able to use SIP terminology.
>
> I guess "multi-media session" is one option. What about "SDP session"?

I thought about that. I'm not in love with multi-media session.

When I look at 4566 I find a definition of "session" as multi-media 
session. I think "SDP session" gets the point across, though I have not 
seen "SDP session" used anywhere else.

	Thanks,
	Paul

> Regards,
>
> Christer
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>
> On 11/12/13 3:39 PM, Christer Holmberg wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> In Vancouver we decided that an Offerer MUST NOT assign a shared address (with a non-zero port) to multiple m- lines until the Answerer, within the session, has indicated support of BUNDLE.
>>
>> I suggest the following piece of text to implement  the decision in the BUNDLE spec:
>>
>> 	"The Offerer MUST NOT assign a shared address with a non-zero port
>>      	value to multiple "m=" lines until it has, within the given session,
>>      	received an SDP Answer indicating that the Answerer supports the
>>      	BUNDLE mechanism."
>>
>> Note that there will be specific text regarding the usage of port zero for 'bundle-only' m- lines.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Christer
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