Re: [MMUSIC] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5576 (7544)
Joerg Ott <ott@in.tum.de> Fri, 16 June 2023 11:54 UTC
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Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5576 (7544)
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Not sure what the semantics would be. Ultimately, the grouping framework should not try to prescribe the semantics of its interpretation, and one could possibly create a use case where the same ssrc-id might appear multiple times. For the present ones, it doesn’t seem to maske sense. Not sure that any action is needed. Jörg Sent from my iPad > On 16. Jun 2023, at 09:18, Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> wrote: > > Why would someone use something like a=ssrc-group:FID 1234 1234? And, even if > someone does, what error would it cause? > > Also, we don't have similar text for e.g., the SDP group attribute. > > Regards, > > Christer > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mmusic <mmusic-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of RFC Errata System > Sent: Thursday, 15 June 2023 21.37 > To: jonathan@vidyo.com; jo@acm.org; ts@thomas-schierl.de; superuser@gmail.com; > Francesca Palombini <francesca.palombini@ericsson.com>; Bo Burman > <bo.burman@ericsson.com>; fandreas@cisco.com > Cc: phancke@microsoft.com; mmusic@ietf.org; rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org > Subject: [MMUSIC] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5576 (7544) > > The following errata report has been submitted for RFC5576, "Source-Specific > Media Attributes in the Session Description Protocol (SDP)". > > -------------------------------------- > You may review the report below and at: > https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid7544 > > -------------------------------------- > Type: Technical > Reported by: Philipp Hancke <phancke@microsoft.com> > > Section: 4.2 > > Original Text > ------------- > Every <ssrc-id> listed in an "ssrc-group" attribute MUST be defined by a > corresponding "ssrc:" line in the same media description > > Corrected Text > -------------- > Every <ssrc-id> listed in an "ssrc-group" attribute MUST be defined by a > corresponding "ssrc:" line in the same media description and MUST appear only > once in this ssrc-group > > Notes > ----- > The goal is to clarify that something like > a=ssrc-group:FID 1234 1234 > is not valid. While this is demuxable (in the BUNDLE sense) it would require > chaining of ssrc-demuxing and payload type demuxing which is a lot of > complexity. > The uniqueness is already implied by the following sentence (emphasis is > mine): > The SDP media attribute "ssrc-group" expresses a relationship among > *several* sources of an RTP session earlier in the section. > > Instructions: > ------------- > This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please use > "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or rejected. When a > decision is reached, the verifying party can log in to change the status and > edit the report, if necessary. > > -------------------------------------- > RFC5576 (draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-source-attributes-02) > -------------------------------------- > Title : Source-Specific Media Attributes in the Session > Description Protocol (SDP) > Publication Date : June 2009 > Author(s) : J. Lennox, J. Ott, T. Schierl > Category : PROPOSED STANDARD > Source : Multiparty Multimedia Session Control RAI > Area : Real-time Applications and Infrastructure > Stream : IETF > Verifying Party : IESG > > _______________________________________________ > mmusic mailing list > mmusic@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mmusic
- Re: [MMUSIC] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5576 … Christer Holmberg
- [MMUSIC] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5576 (754… RFC Errata System
- Re: [MMUSIC] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5576 … Joerg Ott
- Re: [MMUSIC] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5576 … Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [MMUSIC] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5576 … Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5576 … Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [MMUSIC] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5576 … Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5576 … Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [MMUSIC] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5576 … Philipp Hancke
- Re: [MMUSIC] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5576 … Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5576 … Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [MMUSIC] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5576 … Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [MMUSIC] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5576 … Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5576 … Philipp Hancke
- Re: [MMUSIC] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC5576 … Philipp Hancke