Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-opportunistic-negotiation-01.txt
Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> Thu, 28 September 2017 09:35 UTC
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From: Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com>
To: Andy Hutton <andyhutton.ietf@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-opportunistic-negotiation-01.txt
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Hi, >I agree that ideally we should have all the associated procedures in >one place and having two specs is not ideal however we have been going >round this circle for a couple of years now and just need to get this >done. > >Originally we wanted this work to be done in MMUSIC but it got >dispatched to SIPBrandy but it was later discovered that an update to >RFC 4568 was needed and that the SIPBrandy charter did not allow this >so we were told an MMUSIC draft was needed after all to update the RFC >before the SIPBrandy work could be completed. > >I do not want to start again and waste another couple of years lets >just get it finished. I suggest that we: 1) Keep the SIPBRANDY draft as it is. Perhaps they could add a sentence pointing out that that the normative procedures will be described elsewhere. 2) Keep the MMUSIC draft, but we add a proper 'SDP Offer/Answer Considerations’ section, where we include the normal subsections (create initial offer, process offer, process answer etc). Regards, Christer >On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 9:35 PM, Christer Holmberg ><christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> wrote: >> Hi, >> >> >> >> In the mail you referenced the following is said: >> >> >> >> “I see your point but Currently SIPBRANDY is chartered to produce >> Opportunistic SRTP as a BCP. There is also a milestone to >> >> inform MMUSIC or other appropriate WGs of any changes needed to support >> Opportunistic SRTP (Not expected to be published >> >> as an RFC). I think SIPBRANDY is just carrying out what they are >>chartered >> to do.” >> >> >> >> But, draft-ietf-mmusic-opportunistic-negotiation doesn’t really define >>any >> procedures it references the SIPBRANDY draft for everything. >> >> >> >> “[I-D.ietf-sipbrandy-osrtp] describes how Secure Real-time transport >> >> protocol (SRTP) can be negotiated opportunistically.” >> >> >> >> But, as the SIPBRANDY is only Informational, where are the normative >> procedures? >> >> >> >> “The exact negotiation mechanism is however outside the scope of this >> document, >> >> an example mechanism can be found in >> [I-D.ietf-sipbrandy-osrtp].” >> >> >> >> How can negotiation be outside the scope of the document, when the >>title of >> the document contains “negotiating”? >> >> >> >> In addition, the text says that the sipbrandy only contains “an example >> mechanism”. >> >> >> >> If we are going to have this document, I think we shall include >>normative >> offer/answer procedures. The draft DOES contain some normative >>procedures, >> but I think we shall have it all in one place. One shall not have to >>read >> both documents just to figure out the offer/answer procedures. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> >> Christer >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Gonzalo Salgueiro (gsalguei) [mailto:gsalguei@cisco.com] >> Sent: 27 September 2017 21:58 >> To: Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> >> Cc: mmusic@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: >> draft-ietf-mmusic-opportunistic-negotiation-01.txt >> >> >> >> Hi Christer - >> >> >> >> See this: >> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/mmusic/wov2yErrgtUZURyRyVuVZ6K-nLI >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> >> -G >> >> >> >> On Sep 27, 2017, at 9:19 AM, Christer Holmberg >> <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi, >> >> I am currently reviewing draft-ietf-sipbrandy-osrtp-03, and the >>following >> question comes to my mind: do we really need >> draft-ietf-mmusic-opportunistic-negotiation? :) >> >> Section 3 of draft-ietf-sipbrandy-osrtp-03 already more or less contains >> SDP Offer/Answer procedures for OSRTP. We can change the name of >>section 3 >> in that draft to ³SDP Offer/Answer Procedures², modify the structure a >> little, and add whatever might be missing. >> >> Or, am I missing something? >> >> Regards, >> >> Christer >> >> >> >> >> >> On 14/09/17 19:03, "mmusic on behalf of internet-drafts@ietf.org" >> <mmusic-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of internet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote: >> >> >> >> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >> directories. >> This draft is a work item of the Multiparty Multimedia Session Control >>WG >> of the IETF. >> >> Title : Negotiating SRTP and RTCP Feedback using the >> RTP/AVP Profile >> Authors : Andrew Hutton >> Roland Jesske >> Alan Johnston >> Gonzalo Salgueiro >> Bernard Aboba >> Filename : draft-ietf-mmusic-opportunistic-negotiation-01.txt >> Pages : 7 >> Date : 2017-09-14 >> >> Abstract: >> This document describes how the use of the Secure Real-time transport >> protocol (SRTP) [RFC3711]. can be negotiated using the RTP/AVP (Audio >> Video Profile) defined in [RFC3551]. Such a mechanism is used to >> provide a means for encrypted media to be used in environments where >> support for encryption is not known in advance, and not required. >> The same mechanism is also applied to negotiation of the Extended RTP >> Profile for Real-time Transport Control Protocol Based Feedback (RTP/ >> AVPF) [RFC4585]. >> >> >> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >> >>https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mmusic-opportunistic-negotiat >>i >> on/ >> >> There are also htmlized versions available at: >> >>https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mmusic-opportunistic-negotiation-0 >>1 >> >>https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-mmusic-opportunistic-neg >>o >> tiation-01 >> >> A diff from the previous version is available at: >> >>https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-mmusic-opportunistic-negotia >>t >> ion-01 >> >> >> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of >> submission >> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >> >> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> mmusic mailing list >> mmusic@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mmusic >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> mmusic mailing list >> mmusic@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mmusic >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> mmusic mailing list >> mmusic@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mmusic >>
- [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-opportunis… internet-drafts
- Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-opport… Andy Hutton
- Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-opport… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-opport… Hutton, Andrew
- Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-opport… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-opport… Alan Johnston
- Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-opport… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-opport… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-opport… Gonzalo Salgueiro (gsalguei)
- Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-opport… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-opport… Andy Hutton
- Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-opport… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-opport… Andy Hutton
- Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-opport… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-opport… Andy Hutton
- Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-opport… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-opport… Andy Hutton
- Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-opport… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-opport… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-opport… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-opport… Flemming Andreasen