Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action: draft-ietf-mmusic-opportunistic-negotiation-01.txt

Christer,

I agree that ideally we should have all the associated procedures in
one place and having two specs is not ideal however we have been going
round this circle for a couple of years now and just need to get this
done.

Originally we wanted this work to be done in MMUSIC but it got
dispatched to SIPBrandy but it was later discovered that an update to
RFC 4568 was needed and that the SIPBrandy charter did not allow this
so we were told an MMUSIC draft was needed after all to update the RFC
before the SIPBrandy work could be completed.

I do not want to start again and waste another couple of years lets
just get it finished.

Regards
Andy

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 9:35 PM, Christer Holmberg
<christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
>
> In the mail you referenced the following is said:
>
>
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> “I see your point but Currently SIPBRANDY is chartered to produce
> Opportunistic SRTP as a BCP. There is also a milestone to
>
> inform MMUSIC or other appropriate WGs of any changes needed to support
> Opportunistic SRTP (Not expected to be published
>
> as an RFC).  I think SIPBRANDY is just carrying out what they are chartered
> to do.”
>
>
>
> But, draft-ietf-mmusic-opportunistic-negotiation doesn’t really define any
> procedures – it references the SIPBRANDY draft for everything.
>
>
>
> “[I-D.ietf-sipbrandy-osrtp] describes how Secure Real-time transport
>
>               protocol (SRTP) can be negotiated opportunistically.”
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> But, as the SIPBRANDY is only Informational, where are the normative
> procedures?
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> “The exact negotiation mechanism is however outside the scope of this
> document,
>
>               an example mechanism can be found in
> [I-D.ietf-sipbrandy-osrtp].”
>
>
>
> How can negotiation be outside the scope of the document, when the title of
> the document contains “negotiating”?
>
>
>
> In addition, the text says that the sipbrandy only contains “an example
> mechanism”.
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>
>
> If we are going to have this document, I think we shall include normative
> offer/answer procedures. The draft DOES contain some normative procedures,
> but I think we shall have it all in one place. One shall not have to read
> both documents just to figure out the offer/answer procedures.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Christer
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> From: Gonzalo Salgueiro (gsalguei) [mailto:gsalguei@cisco.com]
> Sent: 27 September 2017 21:58
> To: Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com>
> Cc: mmusic@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] I-D Action:
> draft-ietf-mmusic-opportunistic-negotiation-01.txt
>
>
>
> Hi Christer -
>
>
>
> See this:
> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/mmusic/wov2yErrgtUZURyRyVuVZ6K-nLI
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> Cheers,
>
>
>
> -G
>
>
>
> On Sep 27, 2017, at 9:19 AM, Christer Holmberg
> <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I am currently reviewing draft-ietf-sipbrandy-osrtp-03, and the following
> question comes to my mind: do we really need
> draft-ietf-mmusic-opportunistic-negotiation? :)
>
> Section 3 of draft-ietf-sipbrandy-osrtp-03 already more or less contains
> SDP Offer/Answer procedures for OSRTP. We can change the name of section 3
> in that draft to ³SDP Offer/Answer Procedures², modify the structure a
> little, and add whatever might be missing.
>
> Or, am I missing something?
>
> Regards,
>
> Christer
>
>
>
>
>
> On 14/09/17 19:03, "mmusic on behalf of internet-drafts@ietf.org"
> <mmusic-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of internet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
> directories.
> This draft is a work item of the Multiparty Multimedia Session Control WG
> of the IETF.
>
>       Title           : Negotiating SRTP and RTCP Feedback using the
> RTP/AVP Profile
>       Authors         : Andrew Hutton
>                         Roland Jesske
>                         Alan Johnston
>                         Gonzalo Salgueiro
>                         Bernard Aboba
> Filename        : draft-ietf-mmusic-opportunistic-negotiation-01.txt
> Pages           : 7
> Date            : 2017-09-14
>
> Abstract:
>  This document describes how the use of the Secure Real-time transport
>  protocol (SRTP) [RFC3711]. can be negotiated using the RTP/AVP (Audio
>  Video Profile) defined in [RFC3551].  Such a mechanism is used to
>  provide a means for encrypted media to be used in environments where
>  support for encryption is not known in advance, and not required.
>  The same mechanism is also applied to negotiation of the Extended RTP
>  Profile for Real-time Transport Control Protocol Based Feedback (RTP/
>  AVPF) [RFC4585].
>
>
> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mmusic-opportunistic-negotiati
> on/
>
> There are also htmlized versions available at:
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mmusic-opportunistic-negotiation-01
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-mmusic-opportunistic-nego
> tiation-01
>
> A diff from the previous version is available at:
> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-mmusic-opportunistic-negotiat
> ion-01
>
>
> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of
> submission
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